ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section
Richard Townsend
I'm looking for a cross-section of ATSF FT-I and FT-J flat cars to see how the 4 fish-belly sills were spaced. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Steve SANDIFER
Richard says, “These cars had four fishbelly sills, with the outer sills approximately parallel with the wheel treads.”
J. Stephen Sandifer
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I'm looking for a cross-section of ATSF FT-I and FT-J flat cars to see how the 4 fish-belly sills were spaced. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR |
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Jake Schaible
Ironically, I'm working on the AT&SF FT-J as we speak too... but in N scale. You may find this helpful, PJ Student's article re the FT-J (and the Ft-O&P) in HO. http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ptm_197804.pdf starting on pg 16. All I have to work with is the grainy Cyril Durrenberger image of the Wt-J in this Student article, but it seems to materially differ from the Student version beyond what he mentions, in that it seems to have 5 subfloor braces that pierce the side sill web plates and extend to flush with the deck side sills - perhaps 3 center as I beam-ish (center and other 2 at the point of the fish belly bend) and the two towards the ends being c or box channels?
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charles slater
Richard I have photos of the Ft-I underframe, I tried sending them to you but the goups.io won't allow that
Send me an email to atsfcondr42@... and I will be glad to send you the pictures
Charles Slater
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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:44 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF FT-I and FT-J cross-section I'm looking for a cross-section of ATSF FT-I and FT-J flat cars to see how the 4 fish-belly sills were spaced.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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You will need to add the f to the bottom link. This cross section from the rebuilt drawing at least shows the proportional spacing of the underframe girders.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jake Schaible
Ironically, I'm working on the AT&SF FT-J as we speak too... but in N scale. You may find this helpful, PJ Student's article re the FT-J (and the Ft-O&P) in HO. http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ptm_197804.pdf starting on pg 16. All I have to work with is the grainy Cyril Durrenberger image of the Wt-J in this Student article, but it seems to materially differ from the Student version beyond what he mentions, in that it seems to have 5 subfloor braces that pierce the side sill web plates and extend to flush with the deck side sills - perhaps 3 center as I beam-ish (center and other 2 at the point of the fish belly bend) and the two towards the ends being c or box channels?
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Jake Schaible
Thanks Steve. Not sure why the link didn't take, but you are correct... add back the F at the end.
Also, please ignore my erroneous mention of Ft-Ia being also Ft-18. F-18 seems to have been the Folio 211 page number. Pardon my mistake. |
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Jake Schaible
This is likely no mystery to anyone but me, but for weeks I've been perplexed by comparing the aforementioned PJ Student's article re building an Ft-J (v similar to the Ft-I). Again, Student failed to include the 5 side sill supports that can be seen peaking out from under his article's grainy Cyril Durrenberger image of the ATSF Wt-J 2027?7. My question is were added on later with one of the several rebuilds? Or were they original, and Student just ignored this feature in his models. Charlie Slater was kind enough to share images of these feature, which show they were not - as I initially suspected - contiguous parts. Rather they are compound built up plates riveted to the floor support / cross bar features, which seemed for a bit to bolster my hypothesis (and hope) that they were added in one of the later rebuild phases. Other late images of converted Ft-I cars show these better: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Atchison%2C_Topeka%2C_and_Santa_Fe%2C_Flat_Car_97834_%2815894678128%29.jpg So .... shoot.... now I need to make and fit 10 side sill plates per car... in N scale! ;-)
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