B&O underframes
lrkdbn
Dear group
In 1917 the B&O ordered a batch of steel underframe freight reefers. Plans were published in the "Railway Age" trade magazine. The article stated that the underframe was supplied by Ralston. My question is this-is this the SAME underframe as the M-15 DS box cars i.e. did B&O have a standard underframe design?I can see that the two cars have similar underframes: what I want to know is whether they were exactly the same-say like the Pennsy X23 and X25 and R7 all have the same underframe.(Things like this come up when you're a rivet counter...) Thanks for any help you can give Larry King
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Eric Hansmann
Can you share the issue date so I can dig around the online archives?
The few images of pre-USRA B&O reefers that I’ve seen have been truss rod cars with a straight steel center sill. The M-15 boxcars had a fish belly center sill and no truss rods.
The M-18 boxcar class was similar to the M-15 car design but had truss rods and a steel center sill. About 3000 M-18 cars were put into service in 1916. These are low numbers in comparison to the M-15 cars.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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David
Can you share the issue date so I can dig around the online archives?Railway Age Volume 63, p.981. The underframe drawing is on p.982. Series was apparently B&O 15000-15499, class R7, leased to FGE around 1925. David Thompson
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Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Eric, Here's the link: https://archive.org/details/railwayage63newy/page/982/mode/2up . Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Eric Hansmann
Thank you, Garth! The following article is also of interest for me.
>>> Larry King asked: In 1917 the B&O ordered a batch of steel underframe freight reefers. Plans were published in the "Railway Age" trade magazine. The article stated that the underframe was supplied by Ralston. My question is this-is this the SAME underframe as the M-15 DS box cars i.e. did B&O have a standard underframe design? I can see that the two cars have similar underframes: what I want to know is whether they were exactly the same-say like the Pennsy X23 and X25 and R7 all have the same underframe.(Things like this come up when you're a rivet counter...) <<<
After reviewing the article and checking several resources, I cannot confirm the underframe featured in the RA article is the same as the B&O M-15 underframes. There are similarities. I do not know of any B&O documentation indicating a common underframe for 40-foot house cars.
After the M-15 cars, the M-18 (steel center sill and truss rods) were the only other 40-foot boxcar class added to the B&O before the USRA car assignments in 1919 with 500 M-24 class cars. The M-26 steel-sheathed cars began expanding the B&O fleet in 1925. There aren’t any common underframe designs to these four B&O boxcar classes.
The B&O reefers were in the R7 class and number series 15000-15500 with 501 cars listed in the 1917 ORER. These were the only B&O reefers noted with steel underframes in the 1917 ORER listings. The May 1925 ORER lists 477 cars in this number series.
FYI, the October 1926 ORER B&O entry lists ZERO reefers. As they B&O joined the Fruit Growers consortium in 1925, their reefer fleet became part of the FGE fleet. Under Miscellaneous Equipment, 115 Ice Box cars are listed for company use. I suspect these were older cars.
The B&O did roster stock cars but most were leased from the Mather Company.
While I do not have a definitive answer to the original question Larry King posted, it would seem like the B&O did not use a common house car underframe design.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 4:45 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O underframes
Eric,
Here's the link: https://archive.org/details/railwayage63newy/page/982/mode/2up .
Yours Aye,
Garth Groff 🦆
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Eric Hansmann
Thanks, David!
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David via groups.io Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 7:33 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] B&O underframes Can you share the issue date so I can dig around the online archives?Railway Age Volume 63, p.981. The underframe drawing is on p.982. Series was apparently B&O 15000-15499, class R7, leased to FGE around 1925. David Thompson
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ROGER HINMAN
I have a copy of Standard Steel drawing 38048 (which is available at the IRM) for a 1916 order of M15 boxcars. I compared this with the drawing referenced in RWA. The underarms are very similar, but not identical. Truck Spacing and cross member spacings are different.
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Roger Hinman
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