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GTW 583200 series autocar with 7' door - what era?


Andy Laurent
 

Rob,
Double doors - 10' opening, according to the ORER.
Andy


Robert kirkham
 

Thanks Tim - I have received off list some help on the CV and GTW cars, but at the end of this, no solution for this odd ball kit.  

Rob


On Nov 22, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

On 11/21/2020 2:27 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Hi Andy - Am I missing a referent to the 7’ side doors?   The asterisk indicates more than one door per side.  So - I remain puzzled . . . 

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Andy Laurent via groups.io <andy.laurent@...> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 06:35 AM, James Brewer wrote:
Perfect, Jim.

583200-583701

XM

Boxcar

502

2/1929-7/1977

40.6

10.0

10.6*

3712

PSC

4-5/29

Stl. frame. 9'1" end dr. some re#441500-441849 series 12/46-5/47, 585203-585388 series 6-10/48 & 585389-585884 series 3-10/49.



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts <gtw_583675 40ft_DD_box_SS.ebay.jpg>


Tim O'Connor
 

On 11/21/2020 2:27 PM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Hi Andy - Am I missing a referent to the 7’ side doors?   The asterisk indicates more than one door per side.  So - I remain puzzled . . . 

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Andy Laurent via groups.io <andy.laurent@...> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 06:35 AM, James Brewer wrote:
Perfect, Jim.

583200-583701

XM

Boxcar

502

2/1929-7/1977

40.6

10.0

10.6*

3712

PSC

4-5/29

Stl. frame. 9'1" end dr. some re#441500-441849 series 12/46-5/47, 585203-585388 series 6-10/48 & 585389-585884 series 3-10/49.



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Robert kirkham
 

Hi Andy - Am I missing a referent to the 7’ side doors?   The asterisk indicates more than one door per side.  So - I remain puzzled . . . 

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Andy Laurent via groups.io <andy.laurent@...> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 06:35 AM, James Brewer wrote:
Perfect, Jim.

583200-583701

XM

Boxcar

502

2/1929-7/1977

40.6

10.0

10.6*

3712

PSC

4-5/29

Stl. frame. 9'1" end dr. some re#441500-441849 series 12/46-5/47, 585203-585388 series 6-10/48 & 585389-585884 series 3-10/49.



Andy Laurent
 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 06:35 AM, James Brewer wrote:
Perfect, Jim.

583200-583701

XM

Boxcar

502

2/1929-7/1977

40.6

10.0

10.6*

3712

PSC

4-5/29

Stl. frame. 9'1" end dr. some re#441500-441849 series 12/46-5/47, 585203-585388 series 6-10/48 & 585389-585884 series 3-10/49.


Robert kirkham
 

I tried again; so did one of my daughters.  We both get “

Error establishing a database connection

No idea why. I may have to go furrow through the magazine collection in storage.

 Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

It worked for me just before I sent that response. It is very slow to load, and bringing up the particular issue also takes time (they are very large PDFs). The nice part is that they are free!

Keep trying.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Rob,

It worked for me just before I sent that response. It is very slow to load, and bringing up the particular issue also takes time (they are very large PDFs). The nice part is that they are free!

Keep trying.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:49 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Thanks for the reference Garth.  I’m having some trouble getting to that page this morning - everything I try ends with not making a data base connection.

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob




Robert kirkham
 

Thanks for the reference Garth.  I’m having some trouble getting to that page this morning - everything I try ends with not making a data base connection.

Rob

On Nov 21, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob




James Brewer
 

Rob,

From Ian Cranstone's web site:


Jim Brewer

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 7:00 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob


James Brewer
 

Rob,

From Ian Cranstone's web site:


Jim Brewer


Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Rob,

This series of boxcars is discussed in the article "Modeling 40-Foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III, Type E Cars In HO Scale From Steam Shack Kits" by Stafford Swain in the February 2001 RAILMODEL JOURNAL. If you don't have this issue, it can be found on the TRAINLIFE LIBRARY web site at https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library . If you are interested in the rebuilt all-steel single-door version of this car, there are two photos.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 1:11 AM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob


Robert kirkham
 

Just realized my first e-mail, (repeating a typo on the F&C site), used a 5 digit number, not the 6 digits series on the decals or in the ORER.    So maybe I'm only flagging my mistake, (but hoping there is an earlier 5 digit number series from pre-1953 that helps make sense of this kit in 1946.)

Rob