[Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon is this?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD



Thanks for all that input!


I can’t for the life of me find my P&LE composite gon photos.  I had the luck to crawl all over one many years ago, that had gone into MW service intact.


P&LE clearly used a variety of ends on their composite and early steel gons, including a short Dreadnaught-looking end, and an inverted USRA-looking replacement end used on some USRA 46’ gons, that sometimes included a lower end reinforcement plate like in the second photo.  Some have more rounded ribs, some less.


Thanks again!


Elden Gatwood


From: <> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 11:08 AM
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon is this?




My original thoughts on identifying that gondola from the car end went straight to some P&LE composite mill gondolas. Here’s a car diagram of what I think we see in that photo. Note how the end drop door is drawn.


There were several possible P&LE mill gons with these end drop doors. Here’s a nice view of a Lot 333-G car from the Lackawanna Steamtown photo collection.


A neighboring image is a closer look at the end drop door.


As I review the original image again, I see Carmer uncoupling hardware. The Carmer products were not used on many NYCL cars, so my suggestions on the NYC/P&LE mill gon possibilities may have been for naught. But it still seems like a composite mill gon to me.


So we look elsewhere. How about this Lackawanna gon from another set of Steamtown photos?


This seems to be a closer possibility.  And we get a closer look at the cool brake hardware!



Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN





From: <> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 6:42 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Whose gon is this?


It looks like a P&LE replacement on a USRA gon, but that pump brake is unfamiliar to me.  Anyone recognize it by brand?


Interesting shot.


Elden Gatwood