Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Folks;
Does this flat car look like the PRR F29, also attached? (Granted, different trucks; the second order of F29 got Commonwealths).
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-331/lightbox/
Do those sheets look like tank or boiler heads? Interesting loading technique!
Elden Gatwood
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Andy Cich
The linked photo sure does look like an F29. The sill steps, grab irons, poling pockets, and polling pocket rivets all match up.
About the only difference between the attached photo and the linked photo is the cut lever. Carmer on the attached photo and bottom operated on the linked photo.
Andy Cich
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 5:13 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE
Folks;
Does this flat car look like the PRR F29, also attached? (Granted, different trucks; the second order of F29 got Commonwealths).
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-331/lightbox/
Do those sheets look like tank or boiler heads? Interesting loading technique!
Elden Gatwood
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The side frames appear different. The attached photo shows a singular upper frame, while the lightbox appears to have a more flexible, almost “Buckeye”, appearance. At least to my eye.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
The linked photo sure does look like an F29. The sill steps, grab irons, poling pockets, and polling pocket rivets all match up.
About the only difference between the attached photo and the linked photo is the cut lever. Carmer on the attached photo and bottom operated on the linked photo.
Andy Cich
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 5:13 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE
Folks;
Does this flat car look like the PRR F29, also attached? (Granted, different trucks; the second order of F29 got Commonwealths).
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-331/lightbox/
Do those sheets look like tank or boiler heads? Interesting loading technique!
Elden Gatwood
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This is what I’m talking about… Attached photo side frame:
Lightbox side frame:
To my eye, there is a second hump for axles 2&3
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
The linked photo sure does look like an F29. The sill steps, grab irons, poling pockets, and polling pocket rivets all match up.
About the only difference between the attached photo and the linked photo is the cut lever. Carmer on the attached photo and bottom operated on the linked photo.
Andy Cich
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 5:13 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE
Folks;
Does this flat car look like the PRR F29, also attached? (Granted, different trucks; the second order of F29 got Commonwealths).
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-331/lightbox/
Do those sheets look like tank or boiler heads? Interesting loading technique!
Elden Gatwood
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Kenneth Montero
Compare with Funaro & Carmerlengo T-2 Heavy Duty Pennsylvania Freight PRR 3F-F1 KIESEL 6-Wheel TRUCKS from ebay site:
I did not find it as a separate on the F&C current website, but appears to be a part in kit no 8171, PRR F29 Depressed Center Flatcar ONE PIECE BODY with Decals and 3F-F1 Kissel Trucks Less Wheels.
Ken Montero
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How would you go about cutting perfect circles from sheet styrene to model that load? I'm thinking .020 sheet looks about right for those.
On 12/21/2020 8:51 PM, Andy Cich wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Perhaps but the F29 had rivets on the sides and especially those triangle deck supports, both of which can be seen in the photo. Do you know of other depressed center flat cars with the deck supports?
On 12/21/2020 9:10 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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In the old MR series by Alan Aramitage (sp?)
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He cut circles in plastic with a compass and a sharpened pointer to scribe the circle then snap it. I’ve done a few that way and after cleaning up with a file or sanding stick look pretty good Fenton
On Dec 22, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Brian!
I have to go from memory here, but I think this is the PRR’s 3F-F1 “Kiesel” truck found on the first group of F29.
The later group had Buckeyes, for sure.
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:16 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE
This is what I’m talking about… Attached photo side frame:
Lightbox side frame:
To my eye, there is a second hump for axles 2&3
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
The linked photo sure does look like an F29. The sill steps, grab irons, poling pockets, and polling pocket rivets all match up.
About the only difference between the attached photo and the linked photo is the cut lever. Carmer on the attached photo and bottom operated on the linked photo.
Andy Cich
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Folks;
Does this flat car look like the PRR F29, also attached? (Granted, different trucks; the second order of F29 got Commonwealths).
http://www.ejearchive.com/index.php?/albums/official-loads/content/co-loads-331/lightbox/
Do those sheets look like tank or boiler heads? Interesting loading technique!
Elden Gatwood
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Mike Settle
Tim,
Olfa makes a nice circle cutter. Amazon.com : OLFA Rotary Circle Cutter : Office Products Mike Settle
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mopacfirst
About the circular steel sheets --
Those could be cut sheets going to a head shop. (This was forty or fifty years before the term 'head shop' took on a more popular meaning.) Heads are formed by pressing, and bigger ones can be formed by a circular rolling motion where the press head gradually forms the solid curve by rotating the piece from the center outward. Think of it as the 3D version of the three-roll press used to bend strip or shapes. In my neck of the woods there is a head shop right off Highway 6 just south of Navasota, Texas. Or they could be going to a tank shop for use as flat heads on non-pressure tanks. Ron Merrick
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How about bulkheads for submarine construction? General Dynamics in New London CT. Any other sub builders out there?
On 12/22/2020 11:04 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
About the circular steel sheets -- --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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yep some had Buckeyes
On 12/22/2020 10:35 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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David Wiggs
Sub bulkheads for
585 up through 688 classes would've been 33 feet in diameter and
even larger with the newer ones. They would've been fabricated in the
building yards along with the frames. See attached construction photo of
SSN 596 bulkhead.
Davo in
Orlando
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Use an Olaf compass cutter https://www.amazon.com/OLFA-1057028-Rotary-Circle-Cutter/dp/B001CEAMCY
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:50 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE
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Kenneth Montero
You might want to try a rotary circle cutter, which is used by textile artists. Olfa makes one, so does Fiskars. Has anyone on this list used such a product?
Ken Montero
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Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor asked: "How about bulkheads for submarine construction? General Dynamics in New London CT. Any other sub builders out there?" Let's call New London by it's traditional name - Electric Boat. Other builders before the Nuclear Navy: Portsmouth Naval Shipyard (Kittery, ME), Mare Island Naval Shipyard (Vallejo, CA), Manitowoc Shipbuilding Company (WWII - Manitowoc, WI). Ben Hom
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Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
Currently, submarines are built, in part, at Electric Boat, in Connecticut, and Newport News, in Virginia. (Note that Newport News has a new name). One part is built in each shipyard, and alternately, floated to the other for final assembly.
Jim van Gaasbeek Irvine, CA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:45 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank heads on depressed center flat on EJE
Tim O'Connor asked: "How about bulkheads for submarine construction? General Dynamics in New London CT. Any other sub builders out there?"
Let's call New London by it's traditional name - Electric Boat. Other builders before the Nuclear Navy: Portsmouth Naval Shipyard (Kittery, ME), Mare Island Naval Shipyard (Vallejo, CA), Manitowoc Shipbuilding Company (WWII - Manitowoc, WI).
Ben Hom
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They used to build parts at the old Quansit Point RI NAS but not sure they still do
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On Dec 24, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...> wrote:
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Benjamin Hom
Jim van Gaasbeek wrote: "Currently, submarines are built, in part, at Electric Boat, in Connecticut, and Newport News, in Virginia. (Note that Newport News has a new name). One part is built in each shipyard, and alternately, floated to the other for final assembly." Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company laid down USS G-1 (SS-19 1/2) in 1909 as a private venture (hence the 1/2 in the hull number), commissioning in 1912. Their first nuclear submarine, USS ROBERT E. LEE (SSBN-601) was launched in 1959 (just making the timeframe of this list). NNSB&DD is now the Newport News division of Huntington Ingalls Industries. Fenton Wells wrote: "They used to build parts at the old Qu[o]ns[e]t Point RI NAS but not sure they still do." They still do...but they didn't start work there until 1973, well after the period of this list. Ben Hom
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