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Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load


 

The second car has coil sprung trucks. Just FYI. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:03 PM, Dan Smith <espeefan@...> wrote:

Richard Brennan wrote:

Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879

I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car ? The same actual load ?

SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER.

SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book.
But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series. Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a new one off class ?
This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on.
          Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ?
          Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14 ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER.

An interesting tidbit,
Dan Smith


akerboomk
 

RE:

Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879

 

Look like different cars to me?

-       Trucks different

-       595 has a stake pocket behind side grabs, 679 not.

-       Side completely flat on 679, looks like it is “stepped”(??) on 575

 

Ken


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Ken Akerboom


 

Richard Brennan wrote:

Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879

I'm not sure if this is to imply that these 2 cars are the same car ? The same actual load ?

SP 43595 is an F-50-12 class car, 40' 10" length, with 70t trucks added. A temporary expedient ? Not listed in notes in the 7-39 ORER.

SP 49679 is an F-70-1 class car, 52' length, according to Tony's book.
But the 7-37 ORER lists it as an F-50-14, the last in it's # series. Were these trucks added for this load ? Kept with the car creating a new one off class ?
This might be a good question for Tony to chime in on.
          Was car 49679 built as a 70t car? As class F-70-1 ?
          Or was this car converted after delivery from an F-50-14 ? And then kept that way ? Car listed as 70t car in 3-39 ORER.

An interesting tidbit,
Dan Smith


Richard Brennan
 

At 01:00 PM 1/15/2021, brianleppert@att.net wrote:
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY 140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car.. So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?
Sure it can...
A quick shop change to 70-ton trucks...because an important shipper has a LARGE load: Voila!

SP Freight Cars Vol 3, p 220 lists F-70-1 as a single car: SP 49679...
p221 'The "missing' 400th car was the experimental F-70-1, car no 49679.'

Photo on 4-8-1937 as SP 43595
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693
Two days later, 4-10-1937, with SAME load... as SP 49679
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30879


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Oops, listing for one 70t car,  49679, listed in the 7-39 ORER.

In the 7-37 ORER,  49679 is listed as a 50t F-50-14 car, the last in that # series.

Dan Smith


 

There are no 70t,  1400000 lbs capacity flats listed in either the 7-37 or 7-39 ORER's for SP.

Tony may need to chime in here but I think SP got it's first 70T flats in 1940, if memory serves and I don't have to rush to find Tony's book.

Dan Smith


 

From the 7-37 ORER

FM  flat all steel   43191 to 43690                100000 lbs. capacity         497 cars
                                     note PPP                 120000 lbs. capacity             2 cars         43386     43595
         There are 2 other notes listing changes in capacity - both from 80000 lbs to 100000 lbs. and from different # series.

From the 7-39 ORER

FM  flat all steel  43191 to 43690                100000 lbs. capacity         495 cars
        There are no notes for special capacity flat cars listed in 7-39 ORER for this # series.

I'm sorry but I don't have any ORER's between these. There may have been a second capacity change on the 2 PPP note cars from 7-37 and a 10-37 or there abouts ORER
might show if that is the case.

Dan Smith


brianleppert@att.net
 

I agree with Garth and Bruce.
The leaf-sprung trucks look like they were once under a steam locomotive tender.  Someone at SP must have determined the F-50-12 underframe could handle the transformer's weight.  But why not just use a 70-ton flat car?  Length too long?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Bruce Smith
 

Garth, Folks,

Photo taken 4/8/1937. Reweigh 3/37. That supports a reweight immediately or nearly before loading this transformer. 😉

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Brian,

The number puts it in the F-50-12 series. I suspect it was a special conversion, maybe just for this movement and it was later returned to general service. Otherwise, why it was not renumbered or reclassed, I can't say.

This looks like a job for Tony to explain.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 4:00 PM brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...> wrote:
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY  140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car..  So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Brian,

The number puts it in the F-50-12 series. I suspect it was a special conversion, maybe just for this movement and it was later returned to general service. Otherwise, why it was not renumbered or reclassed, I can't say.

This looks like a job for Tony to explain.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 4:00 PM brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...> wrote:
The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY  140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car..  So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


brianleppert@att.net
 

The flat car is clearly stenciled above the left hand truck "CAPY  140000", making it a 70 ton capacity car..  So it can't be a F-50-12 class flat car, can it?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Paul Doggett
 


Guys 

Owl mountain does a kit for this car and several others in the range of SP flat cars.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 15 Jan 2021, at 20:20, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Friends,

This car is unusual in having leaf springs instead of coils. I couldn't find any mention in Tony Thompson's book of leaf springs. The car is an F-50-12 built in 1928-29. The two photos I found in his book appear to have coil springs, and the GA diagram has no call-outs for any special equipment.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:53 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load 

An 1937 photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

This car is unusual in having leaf springs instead of coils. I couldn't find any mention in Tony Thompson's book of leaf springs. The car is an F-50-12 built in 1928-29. The two photos I found in his book appear to have coil springs, and the GA diagram has no call-outs for any special equipment.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 12:53 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load 

An 1937 photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SP Flat Car 43595 With Transformer Load 

An 1937 photo from the Huntington Library:

https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/30745/rec/693

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA