Photo: SP Yard
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Photo: SP Yard An undated photo from the Huntington Library: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/21896/rec/638 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. This photo shows a great assortment of freight cars. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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Mark Rossiter
The brake wheel on the foreground flat car looks like some of those on my models that have experienced rough handling by fellow club members or if they were inadvertently bumped during assembly before the glue was completely dry!
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Ray Hutchison
OK. That brake wheel (and for all of the other cars facing you in the photograph) raises a question I have been thinking about for the last month or so. It's not like all trains go in the same direction. So let's say these cars are all headed west. A freight consist that has been traveling east enters the yard. Short of running them out on a wye, how does one turn around an incoming car to add to the westbound cars?
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Ray,
Why would you want to turn a freight car around to run the opposite direction down the line? You simply add the car. In the RARE circumstance where a car must be directionally spotted for unloading (end door must face a ramp, for example) the car would be turned
using the closest turntable or wye. However, generally, there was no need to "turn" freight cars.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 6:19 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Yard OK. That brake wheel (and for all of the other cars facing you in the photograph) raises a question I have been thinking about for the last month or so. It's not like all trains go in the same direction. So let's say these cars are all headed west.
A freight consist that has been traveling east enters the yard. Short of running them out on a wye, how does one turn around an incoming car to add to the westbound cars?
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Mont Switzer
Bruce,
Unlike the PRR that had an extensive infrastructure smaller roads (like the Monon) could only turn cars (and locomotives) at certain locations, so it took some planning. As the need to turn steam diminished turning locations were eliminated.
As an interesting side note, in the intermodal era (starts in earnest about 1954) all trailers loaded and unloaded on the Monon had their noses facing north. Thus no turning required.
As interline piggyback cars were accepted turning once again had to be managed.
Mont From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Bruce Smith [smithbf@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 7:45 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Yard
Ray,
Why would you want to turn a freight car around to run the opposite direction down the line? You simply add the car. In the RARE circumstance where a car must be directionally spotted for unloading (end door must face a ramp, for example) the car would be turned
using the closest turntable or wye. However, generally, there was no need to "turn" freight cars.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 6:19 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Yard OK. That brake wheel (and for all of the other cars facing you in the photograph) raises a question I have been thinking about for the last month or so. It's not like all trains go in the same direction. So let's say these cars are all headed west.
A freight consist that has been traveling east enters the yard. Short of running them out on a wye, how does one turn around an incoming car to add to the westbound cars?
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Bruce and List Members,
Bruce asked: "Why would you want to turn a freight car around to run the
opposite direction down the line?"
How about cars placarded as "Unload this Side" / "Unload other Side"
Claus Schlund
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Benjamin Hom
Claus Schlund wrote: "How about cars placarded as "Unload this Side" / "Unload other Side"Bruce Smith wrote at 7:45 AM: "In the RARE circumstance where a car must be directionally spotted for unloading (end door must face a ramp, for example)..." Ben Hom |
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Eric Hansmann
Wow! That’s a great photo from the 1920s, Bob! Based upon the Pennsylvania Lines USRA single-sheathed boxcar, I’d estimate this is before 1927. After Lines West was folded into the main Pennsylvania RR corporate structure in 1924, they quickly painted out refences to Lines. Finding an in-service image of a PL USRA boxcar is rare.
Love all the other freight cars here, too!
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 1:14 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Yard
Photo: SP Yard An undated photo from the Huntington Library: https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/collection/p16003coll2/id/21896/rec/638 This photo can be enlarged quite a bit. This photo shows a great assortment of freight cars. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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Of course, I am drawn to what certainly appears to be a 10,000 gallon UTLX Type V car in the right foreground, ahead of the NP boxcar. And could the UOCX car be a GATC 10,000 gallon car, like the Tangent model?? Steve Hile -----Original Message----- |
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Tony Thompson
One reason to turn cars might be the case where you have lettered each side for a different railroad. <g>
Tony Thompson |
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Schuyler Larrabee
Reeeely?? Who would do such a thing? Think of the headaches for the billing folks!
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:25 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Yard
One reason to turn cars might be the case where you have lettered each side for a different railroad. <g>
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Tony Thompson
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Richard Hendrickson did a bunch of cars that way (and omitted end reporting marks). Of course, he didn't have an operating layout, and the one he had been working on, was only a diorama where you would see passing trains from one side only. I inherited a few of those cars, and because my layout likewise has no reversing loops or wyes, cars are always visible from one side only. There are just separate waybills for each side, so that either side can be used in a session. Let me know if you have additional questions, Schuyler <vbg>.Tony Thompson |
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Robert Bowdidge
An SP employee who worked at Gemco (yard near GM Van Nuys) mentioned that freight cars for the plant would occasionally come in with an "unload this side" placard that needed to match the loading dock configuration. There was an air-operated turntable at the yard that could be used to turn incorrectly-facing freight cars, but it was balky and often not functioning. The backup solution was to run the cars several miles down the mainline to a wye at Burbank Junction. If there wasn't time to reverse the car, then the placard would mysteriously disappear and the car would be delivered as-is.
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Mont Switzer
Tony,
How do you handle the car cards on that one?
Mont
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:25 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Yard
One reason to turn cars might be the case where you have lettered each side for a different railroad. <g>
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Eric Hansmann
I notify the yard clerk that a car is missing from my train and there’s an extra car without a waybill that I left on track 5.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:55 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: SP Yard
Tony,
How do you handle the car cards on that one?
Mont
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
One reason to turn cars might be the case where you have lettered each side for a different railroad. <g>
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Tony Thompson
Mont Switzer wrote: How do you handle the car cards on that one? As I said to Schuyler: . . . because my layout has no reversing loops or wyes, cars are always visible from one side only. There are just separate waybills for each side, so that either side can be used in a session. Tony Thompson |
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