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NJI&I to Wabash at Pine

Gary Roe
 

I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana.  For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96.  Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953!

Hope the formatting comes thru intact.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Wab  49219   Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6234    Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6649    Roxbury MA          Autos
Wab  49348   Bronx NY            Autos
Wab  49162   Warrensburg NY      Autos
Wab  49701   Somersville MA      Autos
Wab  49757   Mariden CT          Autos
LV   6627    Plattsburg NY       Autos
LV   6635    New Haven CT        Autos
LV   6618    Northampton MA      Autos
LV   6305    New Bedford MA      Autos
Wab  49325   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49136   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49526   Worcester MA        Autos
PM   83743   *                   Agricultural Implements
Wab  49512   Portsmouth NH       Autos
Wab  49462   Gardner Heywood MA  Autos
Wab  49120   Lynn MA             Autos
CP   294924  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294984  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294952  Cambridge MA        Autos
CN   662759  Detroit MI          Machinery
RDG  32202   Niagara Falls NY    --
RDG  102050  Milan NH            --
C&O  51134   Toledo OH           --
C&O  117019  Toledo OH           --

* Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ"
-- Empty

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Gary,

Interesting data for a rather obscure railway. I've always been intrigued by the rather grandiously-named New Jersey, Indiana & Illinois. The line was actually built by the Singer Sewing Machine interests, and was named for the three states where Singer had plants. The line was sold to the Wabash in 1926, but retained as a separate railroad, which probably got the Wabash a bigger cut of any freight payments. For an 11-mile line the NJ&I had a pretty impressive fleet of boxcars.

Actually Sudebaker wasn't going that strong in 1953. They had serious production delays bringing new models to the market, Ford and GM were in a price war that hurt Sudebaker more than each other, and the production/sales costs of each Studebaker was much higher than comparable GM or Ford products. The next year they merged with failing Packard, which was probably the worst decision Studebaker could have made. What I consider the most beautiful car of the 1950s, the Studebaker Hawk couldn't save them, though the 1960 Lark bought them some time. Fleet sales also kept them going; California, for instance, heavily bought Studebaker autos and pick-up trucks, but the actual profit per unit must have been pretty low. I learned to drive in a 1962 Studebaker Lark, an ex-California Forestry Service car, but that's beyond our period of interest (as well as irrelevant to our discussion).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:07 PM Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:
I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana.  For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96.  Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953!

Hope the formatting comes thru intact.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Wab  49219   Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6234    Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6649    Roxbury MA          Autos
Wab  49348   Bronx NY            Autos
Wab  49162   Warrensburg NY      Autos
Wab  49701   Somersville MA      Autos
Wab  49757   Mariden CT          Autos
LV   6627    Plattsburg NY       Autos
LV   6635    New Haven CT        Autos
LV   6618    Northampton MA      Autos
LV   6305    New Bedford MA      Autos
Wab  49325   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49136   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49526   Worcester MA        Autos
PM   83743   *                   Agricultural Implements
Wab  49512   Portsmouth NH       Autos
Wab  49462   Gardner Heywood MA  Autos
Wab  49120   Lynn MA             Autos
CP   294924  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294984  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294952  Cambridge MA        Autos
CN   662759  Detroit MI          Machinery
RDG  32202   Niagara Falls NY    --
RDG  102050  Milan NH            --
C&O  51134   Toledo OH           --
C&O  117019  Toledo OH           --

* Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ"
-- Empty

Seth Lakin
 

The NJI&I being a local road to me, and a potential modeling interest, I can shed a little addition insight to the traffic. The agriculture implements were likely out of Oliver Farm Implements, earlier known as Oliver Chilled Plow Co. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN

al_brown03
 

There is such a place as White House Station, in (then) a rural part of New Jersey. I forget if it's on the CNJ or the Lehigh Valley.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

earlyrail
 

That car looks like NJ lighterage to NY to me.

It's either going on a rail-barge or being transferred to a barge
Implements to Long Island?

Howard Garner

Drew M.
 

White House was on the CNJ. It was also the location of the interchange with the short lived Rockaway Valley.

Drew Marshall, Philly Pa

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

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On Mar 8, 2021, at 15:41, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

There is such a place as White House Station, in (then) a rural part of New Jersey. I forget if it's on the CNJ or the Lehigh Valley.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I think Howard is right on the money.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of earlyrail
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2021 7:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine

 

That car looks like NJ lighterage to NY to me.

 

It's either going on a rail-barge or being transferred to a barge

Implements to Long Island?

 

Howard Garner

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Gary, I added a column noting what I’d >>speculate<< would be the final roads handling these cars.  I don’t really KNOW these are correct, but knowing something about what railroads served the destinations, I think these are fairly good guesses.

 

The Weehawken and the lighterage destination could be ERIE, but I am not at all sure about that . . . and my predilections may influence that guess.

 

I can’t speculate on the Detroit car, except isn’t that on the WAB?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Roe
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2021 1:07 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine

 

I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana.  For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96.  Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

 

Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953!

 

Hope the formatting comes thru intact.

 

gary roe

quincy, illinois

 

             Destination                Delivering road

Wab  49219   Roxbury MA          Autos  NH

LV   6234    Roxbury MA          Autos  NH

LV   6649    Roxbury MA          Autos  NH

Wab  49348   Bronx NY            Autos  NH?

Wab  49162   Warrensburg NY      Autos  D&H

Wab  49701   Somerville MA       Autos  B&M via D&H

Wab  49757   Mariden CT          Autos  NH

LV   6627    Plattsburg NY       Autos  D&H

LV   6635    New Haven CT        Autos  NH

LV   6618    Northampton MA      Autos  NH? Or B&M via D&H?

LV   6305    New Bedford MA      Autos  NH

Wab  49325   Weehawken NJ        Autos

Wab  49136   Weehawken NJ        Autos

Wab  49526   Worcester MA        Autos  NH

PM   83743   NY Ltge Sta NJ      Agricultural Implements    

Wab  49512   Portsmouth NH       Autos  B&M

Wab  49462   Gardner Heywood MA  Autos  B&M

Wab  49120   Lynn MA             Autos  B&M

CP   294924  Presque Isle ME     Autos  BAR via D&H/B&M?

CP   294984  Presque Isle ME     Autos  BAR via D&H/B&M?

CP   294952  Cambridge MA        Autos  B&M via D&H

CN   662759  Detroit MI          Machinery

RDG  32202   Niagara Falls NY    --

RDG  102050  Milan NH            --     B&M via D&H**

C&O  51134   Toledo OH           --

C&O  117019  Toledo OH           --

 

* Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ"

-- Empty

** But as an empty, NJI&I was more likely just getting this car off their railroad and onto the WAB to avoid per diem charges.

 

Schuyler

Randy Hammill
 

Fantastic info! Any more loads to CT on the other pages?

Thanks for sharing.

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"The Weehawken and the lighterage destination could be ERIE, but I am not at all sure about that . . . and my predilections may influence that guess."

It could be Erie, but it's far more likely to be New York Central as the West Shore had a large facility at Weehawken.  Erie's larger New Jersey carfloat operations were at Ninth St., Jersey City.


Ben Hom


Gary Roe
 

Schuyler,

Yes, the destination for Wabash Train 96 was Melvindale Yard in Detroit; but the car could very likely have been interchanged with another road for delivery to the consignee.

Thanks for your speculations!

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Monday, March 8, 2021, 10:01:46 PM CST, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Gary, I added a column noting what I’d >>speculate<< would be the final roads handling these cars.  I don’t really KNOW these are correct, but knowing something about what railroads served the destinations, I think these are fairly good guesses.

 

The Weehawken and the lighterage destination could be ERIE, but I am not at all sure about that . . . and my predilections may influence that guess.

 

I can’t speculate on the Detroit car, except isn’t that on the WAB?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Roe
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2021 1:07 PM
To: STMFC E-List <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NJI&I to Wabash at Pine

 

I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana.  For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96.  Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

 

Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953!

 

Hope the formatting comes thru intact.

 

gary roe

quincy, illinois

 

             Destination                Delivering road

Wab  49219   Roxbury MA          Autos  NH

LV   6234    Roxbury MA          Autos  NH

LV   6649    Roxbury MA          Autos  NH

Wab  49348   Bronx NY            Autos  NH?

Wab  49162   Warrensburg NY      Autos  D&H

Wab  49701   Somerville MA       Autos  B&M via D&H

Wab  49757   Mariden CT          Autos  NH

LV   6627    Plattsburg NY       Autos  D&H

LV   6635    New Haven CT        Autos  NH

LV   6618    Northampton MA      Autos  NH? Or B&M via D&H?

LV   6305    New Bedford MA      Autos  NH

Wab  49325   Weehawken NJ        Autos

Wab  49136   Weehawken NJ        Autos

Wab  49526   Worcester MA        Autos  NH

PM   83743   NY Ltge Sta NJ      Agricultural Implements    

Wab  49512   Portsmouth NH       Autos  B&M

Wab  49462   Gardner Heywood MA  Autos  B&M

Wab  49120   Lynn MA             Autos  B&M

CP   294924  Presque Isle ME     Autos  BAR via D&H/B&M?

CP   294984  Presque Isle ME     Autos  BAR via D&H/B&M?

CP   294952  Cambridge MA        Autos  B&M via D&H

CN   662759  Detroit MI          Machinery

RDG  32202   Niagara Falls NY    --

RDG  102050  Milan NH            --     B&M via D&H**

C&O  51134   Toledo OH           --

C&O  117019  Toledo OH           --

 

* Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ"

-- Empty

** But as an empty, NJI&I was more likely just getting this car off their railroad and onto the WAB to avoid per diem charges.

 

Schuyler

Gary Roe
 

Randy,

I checked; but am sorry to report there were none.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:34:35 PM CST, Randy Hammill <nhrr@...> wrote:


Fantastic info! Any more loads to CT on the other pages?

Thanks for sharing.

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com

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