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Tony, Paul and other SP Modelers,
Modeling the B&O on the east coast means a limited number of SP cars. Two are getting ready to see service on my layout and are literally primed. I am seeking your input on a decent color match. Not exact, just decent. Attached are photos of recent in-progress builds sprayed with Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 much thinned for airbrushing. What are your thoughts on adjusting the color? I added a Kadee UP boxcar and a black hopper for color reference. Thank you for your input.
Bruce D. Griffin
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Paul Doggett
Bruce
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I use Trucolor SP freight car red. I think your mix seems quite close. Tony and Tim are probably the best to get the best information off. Paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 1 May 2021, at 07:42, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
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Attached is a photo of boxcars from five different roads, NH, B&O, ACL, SP and ATSF, lined up on what looks like a team track in Dallas, TX. I don't know the exact year or photographer but it offers a nice comparison of these roads' various freight car colors in comparison to the SP, and to one another.
-- Chris Barkan Champaign, IL
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Bruce,Tony,Who Ever,
That color looks a touch too red for my tastes. I assume you will be weathering the cars - correct? I'm not an "SP modeler" but I know a lot of them and have seen a lot of their work. And I definitely have some SP cars in my stores/on my layout (soon). All, What shipment would result in an SP stock car getting all the way to the B&O. I would expect that most of them would go as far as Chicago (or anywhere along the Mississippi) and the stock would be off-loaded for watering and the car would be sent West and the stock would be loaded into some Eastern road's cars - if it wasn't slaughtered then and there. I asking if it would be common or rare for an SP stock car to make it very far East of the Mississippi? - Jim
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Bill J.
Star brand from PBL. They have SP red in full strength and faded reds. Beautiful sheen for decaling. Airbrushes like a dream with minimal thinning for 16 pound air pressure.
Bill Jolitz
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Tony Thompson
Bruce Griffin wrote: Modeling the B&O on the east coast means a limited number of SP cars. Two are getting ready to see service on my layout and are literally primed. I am seeking your input on a decent color match. Not exact, just decent. Attached are photos of recent in-progress builds sprayed with Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 much thinned for airbrushing. What are your thoughts on adjusting the color? I added a Kadee UP boxcar and a black hopper for color reference. Thank you for your input. Both Tru-Color and Star Brand make excellent SP paint matches. I have been following the efforts on-line to come up with blends of Vallejo colors for freight cars, but am not aware of a consensus yet. I do use and like Vallejo, but have not tried to paint a freight car with it. Tony Thompson
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I am not an airbrush user so I can't give you an opinion on using Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 in an air brush. But as a color, I have found it a very good match to the faded freight car red that would typify an SP house car (box, stock, most reefers were PFE) in the 1945-55 period. To my eye it is a close match to the Star brand SP-UP FCR from PBL. I have my original containers of the PBL and Tru-Color SP paints on hand for checking the match when I was looking for an acrylic replacement for more toxic paints after encountering breathing problems when painting.
When I am painting an SP model either plastic or resin, I usually prime with Tamiya Oxide Red from rattle can. Over the fully dried primer I hand brush the Vallejo Brunt Red 70.814 using a soft square shaped brush. Works for me as I live in an apartment like town home with no place to set up a paint booth and have proper ventilation. I spray the Tamiya on the veranda/deck timed in the short intervals between gusts of an almost constant 10-15 mph wind these days. The garage is owned by the HOA which doesn't like me setting up for painting. Such is life. -- Ken Adams Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
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John Barry
Chris, Definitely post war. I don't recall precisely the date that ACL started with the conspicuoty markings but I think it was around 1950. The Santa Fe car looks like it is in the post '47 redder shade of Santa Fe Brown. It is a Bx-46 rebuilt from a Bx-9 or 10 1945-46. Good color comparison for mid fifties modelers. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Saturday, May 1, 2021, 09:41:46 AM EDT, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote: Attached is a photo of boxcars from five different roads, NH, B&O, ACL, SP and ATSF, lined up on what looks like a team track in Dallas, TX. I don't know the exact year or photographer but it offers a nice comparison of these road's various freight car colors in comparison to the SP, and to one another. -- Chris Barkan Champaign, IL
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My guess is that the photo date is either 1947 or 1948 - The New Haven PS-1 looks brand new, and was built in 1947. NH, B_O, ACL, SP, ATSF boxcars in Dallas showing variation in color-PS.jpg Stock cars could be leased or simply shared under Car Service Directives when there was a shortage in one area, and a surplus in another area. When you have a large fleet of stock cars not earning money in the off season, you might be happy to receive those per diem payments. I first learned about this when I was in high school reading about the great floods in Kansas City in the 1950's that put thousands of freight cars out of commission resulting in a CSD directing eastern roads to send stock cars to the midwest to alleviate the sudden shortage. (The article was in a contemporary issue of Trains magazine.) Tim O'Connor
On 5/1/2021 9:53 AM, Jim Betz wrote:
Bruce,Tony,Who Ever, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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