Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798


Charlie Vlk
 

All-

If anyone has the stenciling drawing for CGW alpha and numeric characters I would be happy to work up the lettering for both cars.

I don’t have any immediate project for them but a couple of friends might appreciate the artwork.

Thanks,
Charlie Vlk

(for some reason this was in my “drafts” folder and did not get sent.  Offer still stands!

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

 

Here are two photos I have of 23000 series CGW boxcars. Very different P/L schemes.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of wahsatch
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:10 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

 

While ridding my duplicate & corrupted backup files on new to me Lenovo 17" Ideapad, I came across the 1913 Car Builders. Wandered thru the pages & came across a CGW wood superstructure box with a fabricated double beam steel underframe. ACF built it w/ 50T capacity.

 

Ck'd my Westerfield 1935 & my paper 12/1938 ORER - not enough data to identify the numbers. Remembered my 12/1928 ORER - there it was - the 21000 series [3 cars] & 22000 thru 25798 series [1690] - capacity dropped to 40T. Ck'd my digital copies of the RR Gazette, CGW first placed an order for 1500 cars in mid-1909, then a few months later increased the order by 500 cars w/ AC&F..

 

By 12/1938, the 21000 were gone & the 22000 were down to 242. Their reefer fleet dropped from 443 to 6 in the same time period.

 

Anyone have a photo of this car? Need truck type & lettering for late 20s/early 30s.

 

Thanks!

 

-=- Bob Colquitt


wahsatch
 

Eric,

In my 12/1928, this is one of the 2nd series of boxcars on the CGW - inside 36 ft long, 8-6 wide, & 7-6 hi - series from 12502 to 14500 - 30T - 16 cars. There is a bunch more info if somone needs to build a model.

I'm beginning to think my '28 ORER is a goldmine. On the CGW car it gave dims to 1/2" or even 7/8" which is dropped after the crash of 1929.

Now have to trace the lettering to make "O" decals - possibly compare to already made...

Thanks, Eric! Oh, if anyone wants the plans, I exorcised from the 1913 - about 2.5 meg pdf file - prints out nicely @ FedEx @ 11x17.

-=- Bob Colquitt

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 4:13 PM
From: "Eric Hansmann" <eric@hansmanns.org>
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

Those are great examples of how lettering changed over time. Not just the roadname and emblem, but also the data.



I played around with both in Photoshop. The image of CGW 23140 is early. The car is not compliant with Safety Act Amendment equipment. Freight cars weren’t upgraded overnight, but this is an indication the car was built before 1912 at least. It’s quite a few years earlier than the 1937 file name.



In the bottom left corner, we can barely see the remains of the AIR BRAKE stencil. The Master Car Builders dropped the recommendation for that stencil in 1909. It appears this car still wears a builder badge stencil above the right truck. After repainting, these usually weren’t applied again. The weigh data presentation follows an earlier style that would be modified a few more times by the MCB, ARA, and AAR before 1930. The weigh date is fuzzy but slightly bolder than the rest of the lettering, indicating a fairly recent reweigh. After sharpening the image and adjusting levels and contrast, it seems like 12 are the last digits on the weigh stencil.



CGW 23564 has a more modern appearance. The weigh date here looks like 7-40. Note the reporting marks are on the left side of the car with the weigh data.



Attached is an image of CGW 12618 from the NPS Steamtown collection. It seems to have a 4-18 weigh stencil. While not a car in a series requested by Bob, it is another look at pre-1920 car lettering on an older car. It seems to have a build date of 1898 stenciled above the left truck. This car has been upgraded with grabs to meet the Safety Appliance Act amendment requirements.





Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN







From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
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Here are two photos I have of 23000 series CGW boxcars. Very different P/L schemes.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org <http://www.iowacentralrr.org>



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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798



While ridding my duplicate & corrupted backup files on new to me Lenovo 17" Ideapad, I came across the 1913 Car Builders. Wandered thru the pages & came across a CGW wood superstructure box with a fabricated double beam steel underframe. ACF built it w/ 50T capacity.



Ck'd my Westerfield 1935 & my paper 12/1938 ORER - not enough data to identify the numbers. Remembered my 12/1928 ORER - there it was - the 21000 series [3 cars] & 22000 thru 25798 series [1690] - capacity dropped to 40T. Ck'd my digital copies of the RR Gazette, CGW first placed an order for 1500 cars in mid-1909, then a few months later increased the order by 500 cars w/ AC&F..



By 12/1938, the 21000 were gone & the 22000 were down to 242. Their reefer fleet dropped from 443 to 6 in the same time period.



Anyone have a photo of this car? Need truck type & lettering for late 20s/early 30s.



Thanks!



-=- Bob Colquitt









Eric Hansmann
 

Those are great examples of how  lettering changed over time. Not just the roadname and emblem, but also the data.

 

I played around with both in Photoshop. The image of CGW 23140 is early. The car is not compliant with Safety Act Amendment equipment. Freight cars weren’t upgraded overnight, but this is an indication the car was built before 1912 at least. It’s quite a few years earlier than the 1937 file name.

 

In the bottom left corner, we can barely see the remains of the AIR BRAKE stencil. The Master Car Builders dropped the recommendation for that stencil in 1909. It appears this car still wears a builder badge stencil above the right truck. After repainting, these usually weren’t applied again. The weigh data presentation follows an earlier style that would be modified a few more times by the MCB, ARA, and AAR before 1930. The weigh date is fuzzy but slightly bolder than the rest of the lettering, indicating a fairly recent reweigh. After sharpening the image and adjusting levels and contrast, it seems like 12 are the last digits on the weigh stencil.

 

CGW 23564 has a more modern appearance. The weigh date here looks like 7-40. Note the reporting marks are on the left side of the car with the weigh data.

 

Attached is an image of CGW 12618 from the NPS Steamtown collection. It seems to have a 4-18 weigh stencil. While not a car in a series requested by Bob, it is another look at pre-1920 car lettering on an older car. It seems to have a build date of 1898 stenciled above the left truck. This car has been upgraded with grabs to meet the Safety Appliance Act amendment requirements.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

 

Here are two photos I have of 23000 series CGW boxcars. Very different P/L schemes.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of wahsatch
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

 

While ridding my duplicate & corrupted backup files on new to me Lenovo 17" Ideapad, I came across the 1913 Car Builders. Wandered thru the pages & came across a CGW wood superstructure box with a fabricated double beam steel underframe. ACF built it w/ 50T capacity.

 

Ck'd my Westerfield 1935 & my paper 12/1938 ORER - not enough data to identify the numbers. Remembered my 12/1928 ORER - there it was - the 21000 series [3 cars] & 22000 thru 25798 series [1690] - capacity dropped to 40T. Ck'd my digital copies of the RR Gazette, CGW first placed an order for 1500 cars in mid-1909, then a few months later increased the order by 500 cars w/ AC&F..

 

By 12/1938, the 21000 were gone & the 22000 were down to 242. Their reefer fleet dropped from 443 to 6 in the same time period.

 

Anyone have a photo of this car? Need truck type & lettering for late 20s/early 30s.

 

Thanks!

 

-=- Bob Colquitt


Douglas Harding
 

Bob, they are not very big files, so they may not be quality prints. I just printed the 23140 on 11x17, it is a little pixilated but you can certainly get your lettering placements. But the small lettering is not readable.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


wahsatch
 

Thanks Doug! Will take the files down to FedEx Office & blow them up to11x17. Used to be a program where I could import or scan a photo & outline the lettering on a different layer. May be a lettering alphabet which is close in "O".

Thanks again.

-=- Bob

Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:34 PM
From: "Douglas Harding" <iowacentralrr@gmail.com>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

Here are two photos I have of 23000 series CGW boxcars. Very different P/L schemes.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of wahsatch
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798



While ridding my duplicate & corrupted backup files on new to me Lenovo 17" Ideapad, I came across the 1913 Car Builders. Wandered thru the pages & came across a CGW wood superstructure box with a fabricated double beam steel underframe. ACF built it w/ 50T capacity.



Ck'd my Westerfield 1935 & my paper 12/1938 ORER - not enough data to identify the numbers. Remembered my 12/1928 ORER - there it was - the 21000 series [3 cars] & 22000 thru 25798 series [1690] - capacity dropped to 40T. Ck'd my digital copies of the RR Gazette, CGW first placed an order for 1500 cars in mid-1909, then a few months later increased the order by 500 cars w/ AC&F..



By 12/1938, the 21000 were gone & the 22000 were down to 242. Their reefer fleet dropped from 443 to 6 in the same time period.



Anyone have a photo of this car? Need truck type & lettering for late 20s/early 30s.



Thanks!



-=- Bob Colquitt









Douglas Harding
 

Here are two photos I have of 23000 series CGW boxcars. Very different P/L schemes.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of wahsatch
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need a photo of a CGW AC&F boxcar #22000-25798

 

While ridding my duplicate & corrupted backup files on new to me Lenovo 17" Ideapad, I came across the 1913 Car Builders. Wandered thru the pages & came across a CGW wood superstructure box with a fabricated double beam steel underframe. ACF built it w/ 50T capacity.

 

Ck'd my Westerfield 1935 & my paper 12/1938 ORER - not enough data to identify the numbers. Remembered my 12/1928 ORER - there it was - the 21000 series [3 cars] & 22000 thru 25798 series [1690] - capacity dropped to 40T. Ck'd my digital copies of the RR Gazette, CGW first placed an order for 1500 cars in mid-1909, then a few months later increased the order by 500 cars w/ AC&F..

 

By 12/1938, the 21000 were gone & the 22000 were down to 242. Their reefer fleet dropped from 443 to 6 in the same time period.

 

Anyone have a photo of this car? Need truck type & lettering for late 20s/early 30s.

 

Thanks!

 

-=- Bob Colquitt


wahsatch
 

While ridding my duplicate & corrupted backup files on new to me Lenovo 17" Ideapad, I came across the 1913 Car Builders. Wandered thru the pages & came across a CGW wood superstructure box with a fabricated double beam steel underframe. ACF built it w/ 50T capacity.
 
Ck'd my Westerfield 1935 & my paper 12/1938 ORER - not enough data to identify the numbers. Remembered my 12/1928 ORER - there it was - the 21000 series [3 cars] & 22000 thru 25798 series [1690] - capacity dropped to 40T. Ck'd my digital copies of the RR Gazette, CGW first placed an order for 1500 cars in mid-1909, then a few months later increased the order by 500 cars w/ AC&F..
 
By 12/1938, the 21000 were gone & the 22000 were down to 242. Their reefer fleet dropped from 443 to 6 in the same time period.
 
Anyone have a photo of this car? Need truck type & lettering for late 20s/early 30s.
 
Thanks!
 
-=- Bob Colquitt