Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?
 I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout. The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene. I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car. One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace. -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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Eric Hansmann
If it’s on a white background, maybe it’s a placard.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Aug 24, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
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Could be but it’s angled and placards were rectangular. Before computer routing many ‘agent assigned’ cars were stenciled with specific empty return information.
-- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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hubert mask
I checked Dick Harley’s sp book and didn’t see any examples for that time being.
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Hubert
On Aug 24, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
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Believe this photo shows where. I think it came via Tim O’Connor.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:10 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?
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Another example.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...>
Believe this photo shows where. I think it came via Tim O’Connor.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:10 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?
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Bill Decker
Doug,
You may well have identified the use of the Eugene "return to" placard. The placard makes perfect sense for the photo (likely via Tim O'Connor), but will not do much good for Charlie Duckworth's SP A-50-4 project unless he is building a hog fuel car. The photo is very clearly a hog fuel car, as one can see through the open door the mound of hog fuel ("sawdust" inside and the lack of roof. SP converted a number of older box cars to haul hog (or "hogged") fuel, mostly within the timber region (e.g., Oregon). Photos certainly confirm these cars post-WWII into the 1950s. For reference, the first wood chip racks started going onto GS gons around 1956. Before that, the commodity hauled was hog fuel--basically sawdust used for both home heating and industrial fuel. This predated the wood chip traffic for paper pulp mills. I well recall a few old house basements with sawdust bins and home furnaces fueled by that product in the 1950s, but the practice was rapidly being replaced by oil fuel--much safer and less messy! Think spontaneous combustion in a bin of sawdust. I am fairly certain the hog fuel traffic was fairly local to Oregon and maybe Northern California. As with the later wood chips, there was not much (if any) profit to be made in hauling very far. Bill Decker McMinnville, Oregon
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Tony Thompson
hubert mask wrote: Um, Hubert, the SP part of that book is by me. Dick wrote the PFE part only. Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Tony Thompson
Charlie Duckworth wrote:These kinds of painted assignment legends were usually near the door on the left. One SP employee told me that sometimes they were even taken into account in car movements <g> Many sorts of cars that could be used for lumber were marked “return to Eugene” so this can be quite a general usage, especially for a double-door car, convenient for lumber loading. Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Rich C
The photos that were attached are actually A-50-6's converted to hogfuel cars. They are the 50' variety. I know the A-50-4's were also so converted. This would make a fairly simple kitbash of a Funaro kit. Since this is a flat kit, build it without the roof and cobble up 4 "flapper" type side doors. I also believe the SP did the same to their 40' single SS boxcar types (B-50-13 thru 16) Rich Christie
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 09:54:37 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
> Charlie Duckworth wrote: > > I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout. The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene. I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car. One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace. These kinds of painted assignment legends were usually near the door on the left. One SP employee told me that sometimes they were even taken into account in car movements <g> Many sorts of cars that could be used for lumber were marked “return to Eugene” so this can be quite a general usage, especially for a double-door car, convenient for lumber loading. Tony Thompson tony@...
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Thanks for all the replies; given the particular use of the cars to the Eugene agent I’ll leave it off.
-- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne.
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WILLIAM PARDIE
Here is one more application of the “Return To” stenciling on an SP boxcar. The prototype for the car waqs feqatured in an early Model Railroading or Rail Model Journal article on single sheath USRA box cars. I believe the photo is also in tony’s box car book. The model is an Overland cafr which I did over 39 years ago. The decals are from a Walthers set (They did decals back then0. The script read “WHEN EMPTY RETURN TO DIAMOND SPRINGS”. The destination is raqther illegible on the car. I dug into my decal stash (I usually buy two sets of decals as my ability to trim closely is questionable). I applied the decal as a stencil but now I nmay go back and redo it as a plackard. It looks like at some point I up;graded gthe trucks but failed to weather them. Guess the cart is headed for the shops. Bill Pardie
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The kitbash may be more challenging than you think. :-D Tim O'Connor
On 8/24/2021 11:49 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Rich C
For this particular one, yes major. Better off scratch building this puppy. The one I meant has the 1 1/2 doors still in place and only 2 flap style pull out side doors, in the previous post. Rich Christie
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 03:01:46 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
The kitbash may be more challenging than you think. :-D Tim O'Connor On 8/24/2021 11:49 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote: The photos that were attached are actually
A-50-6's converted to hogfuel cars. They are the 50'
variety. I know the A-50-4's were also so converted. This
would make a fairly simple kitbash of a Funaro kit. Since
this is a flat kit, build it without the roof and cobble up
4 "flapper" type side doors. I also believe the SP did the
same to their 40' single SS boxcar types (B-50-13 thru 16)
Rich Christie
On Tuesday,
August 24, 2021, 09:54:37 PM CDT, Tony Thompson
<tony@...> wrote:
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Charlie Duckworth wrote:
> > I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout. The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene. I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car. One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace. These kinds of painted assignment legends were usually near the door on the left. One SP employee told me that sometimes they were even taken into account in car movements <g> Many sorts of cars that could be used for lumber were marked “return to Eugene” so this can be quite a general usage, especially for a double-door car, convenient for lumber loading. Tony Thompson -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Rich I know, but I was only half joking. After all, we don't know what the OTHER SIDE of that car looked like. Not all rebuilt cars were symmetrical. ;-) And the SP's hog fuel fleet was evidently quite varied - I wish we knew more about them! It would be a worthwhile research topic for the SPH&TS Trainline. :-) Tim O'Connor
On 8/25/2021 4:34 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Rich C
Right you are, Tim. They could have varied sides. I was thinking of that too, SP Trainline. I wonder if Tony has any info in one of his excellent freight car publications? Rich Christie
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 03:39:42 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Rich
I know, but I was only half joking. After all, we don't know what the OTHER SIDE of that car looked like. Not all rebuilt cars were symmetrical. ;-) And the SP's hog fuel fleet was evidently quite varied - I wish we knew more about them! It would be a worthwhile research topic for the SPH&TS Trainline. :-) Tim O'Connor On 8/25/2021 4:34 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote: For this
particular one, yes major. Better off scratch building this
puppy.
The one I meant
has the 1 1/2 doors still in place and only 2 flap style
pull out side doors, in the previous post.
Rich Christie
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Wednesday, August 25, 2021, 03:01:46 PM CDT, Tim
O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
The kitbash may be more challenging than you think. :-D Tim O'Connor On 8/24/2021 11:49 PM, Rich C via groups.io wrote: The photos that were attached are
actually A-50-6's converted to hogfuel cars.
They are the 50' variety. I know the A-50-4's
were also so converted. This would make a fairly
simple kitbash of a Funaro kit. Since this is a
flat kit, build it without the roof and cobble
up 4 "flapper" type side doors. I also believe
the SP did the same to their 40' single SS
boxcar types (B-50-13 thru 16)
Rich Christie
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 09:54:37 PM CDT,
Tony Thompson <tony@...>
wrote:
> Charlie Duckworth wrote:
> > I’m decaling the Speedwitch SP A-50-4 and plan to use it going to a lumber yard on the layout. The decals have a white backed decals for returning the empty car to Eugene. I’ve looked through several books but can’t find an example on where it goes on the car. One side is angled so I assume it’s against a ‘Z’ brace. These kinds of painted assignment legends were usually near the door on the left. One SP employee told me that sometimes they were even taken into account in car movements <g> Many sorts of cars that could be used for lumber were marked “return to Eugene” so this can be quite a general usage, especially for a double-door car, convenient for lumber loading. Tony Thompson -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Paul Koehler
Tim:
I sure that if you did the research, John would publish in trainline.
Paul C. Koehler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 1:39 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Where does the ‘Empty Return’ Stencils go on n an SP SS boxcar?
Rich
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