Roundhouse 50' SS DD


Tim O'Connor
 


Better, except for the death of the retail hobby shops with a few exceptions. That is an aspect of the
hobby that I sorely miss. Even mail order (i.e. reservations) has gotten to be very complicated, esp when
delivery times stretch out more than a year. :-(

Tim O'Connor


On 9/25/2021 11:17 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:

As modelers, we have always felt happy with the best available model until a better one comes along. All of the earlier Sunshine, Westerfield and F&C single sheathed cars had deep and wide groves which made, in my opinion, horrible car sides but many bought them with gleeful pride. Then the better scribed techniques came out in various attempts to mitigate unrealistic car sides with differing results. Richard Hendricksen said it well when he stated that the "Good Old Days of modeling is today". The pure joy I felt upon my viewing of the then new Kadee PS-1 box cars prompted me to state that these box cars were the best HO freight cars to that point. And things are continuing to get better!
-Andy


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Andy Carlson
 



Actually, my decision to start work on this car had nothing to do for improving the MDC WP 50'car; as the MDC car wasn't released until I had finished the work on my  own resin 50' WP car.  I am a decades-long advocate for finer (read as more realistic) wood siding replications.

I hope to have finished results from a long-stalled double wood sheath resin box car. I experimented with a technique which makes for a better appearing look which is meeting expectations beyond my initial hopes. It is of a box car which I think several were brought over to Hawaii for the war effort. I will take photos.

As modelers, we have always felt happy with the best available model until a better one comes along. All of the earlier Sunshine, Westerfield and F&C single sheathed cars had deep and wide groves which made, in my opinion, horrible car sides but many bought them with gleeful pride. Then the better scribed techniques came out in various attempts to mitigate unrealistic car sides with differing results. Richard Hendricksen said it well when he stated that the "Good Old Days of modeling is today". The pure joy I felt upon my viewing of the then new Kadee PS-1 box cars prompted me to state that these box cars were the best HO freight cars to that point. And things are continuing to get better!
-Andy



Andy has always been critical  of the deep board separations  This prompted him to do the castings.

Bill Pardie





Has anyone found a good technique for filling in the overly thick "board" grooves ? Between that and carving off grabs, I've avoided this and many other plastic cars...

I've wondered if Mr. Hobby Surfacer would do the trick but have too many other tasks on the list ...

Steve
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Tim O'Connor
 

LOL !! maybe you're too young to recall the VIGOROUS and RANCOROUS debate over wood sides
that erupted and broke up the original Freightcars mailing list into factions and led some people to
abandon ship entirely! 😂

Let's just say this has been a sore point for decades. And not just plastic - resin and brass too!

Tim O'Connor

On 9/24/2021 5:30 PM, steve_wintner via groups.io wrote:
Has anyone found a good technique for filling in the overly thick "board" grooves ? Between that and carving off grabs, I've avoided this and many other plastic cars...

I've wondered if Mr. Hobby Surfacer would do the trick but have too many other tasks on the list ...

Steve
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Tim O'Connor
 

30 or so years ago after breaking about a dozen #80 drills over the course of a year I invested
in a high quality drill press. I still use it and almost never break drills anymore.

A freight car can require a LOT of drilling. I once counted 75 holes drilled for a resin gondola kit.

I use hand held pin vises only for larger drills, or for reaming out (enlarging) holes.

Tim O'Connor

On 9/24/2021 1:32 PM, Ken Adams wrote:
I have taken to wearing a thick glove on my left hand (I am right handed) when slicing off plastic cast on detail.  Too many slips and a run for the band-aid box.

Also look beyond the Exacto blades to UMM chisels and scrapers, OLFA tools and the narrower X-17a blade.

Now if I could only keep the #78-79 drill bits from breaking for drilling the replacement mounting holes.  I have probably tried every suggestion in the pages of this group dating back to Yahoo groups and other web pages and magazine articles and not found any foolproof method that works for me.
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Ken Adams
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I am fortunate in that I have a set of Andy Carlson's cast sides for this car.  I got the castings as I am skillfully challenged when it comes to carving off ladders (Years ago when Richard Hendrickson was doing articles for the "Western /Southwestern prototype magazines I attempted to carve the side and end ladders off a Trains Miniaure refer.  After many unsuccessful hours of carving I abandoned the practice forever).

Andy has always been critical  of the deep board separations  This prompted him to do the castings.  I hope to get to.this project in this lifetime.

Bill Pardie




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-------- Original message --------
From: "steve_wintner via groups.io" <steve_wintner@...>
Date: 9/24/21 11:30 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Roundhouse 50' SS DD

Has anyone found a good technique for filling in the overly thick "board" grooves ? Between that and carving off grabs, I've avoided this and many other plastic cars...

I've wondered if Mr. Hobby Surfacer would do the trick but have too many other tasks on the list ...

Steve


steve_wintner
 

Has anyone found a good technique for filling in the overly thick "board" grooves ? Between that and carving off grabs, I've avoided this and many other plastic cars...

I've wondered if Mr. Hobby Surfacer would do the trick but have too many other tasks on the list ...

Steve


Ken Adams
 

I have taken to wearing a thick glove on my left hand (I am right handed) when slicing off plastic cast on detail.  Too many slips and a run for the band-aid box.

Also look beyond the Exacto blades to UMM chisels and scrapers, OLFA tools and the narrower X-17a blade.

Now if I could only keep the #78-79 drill bits from breaking for drilling the replacement mounting holes.  I have probably tried every suggestion in the pages of this group dating back to Yahoo groups and other web pages and magazine articles and not found any foolproof method that works for me. 
 --
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Tim O'Connor
 

Ron

No, sadly. Don't we wish Athearn would revise the tooling (as they have done with several other
models!) and replace all of the molded on grabs and ladders with wire and stand off details??

At the time of the RMJ article I asked Richard about the arduous task of removing all that detail
with an X-Acto blade, and he just laughed! To anyone who has done it successfully, you know what
I'm talking about. 😂

Tim O'Connor

On 9/22/2021 8:04 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
I did one, right when the Roundhouse kit first came out, as an MP 86000-86149 car.  The model has wire grabs and separate ladders. I really don't remember carving this detail off the model.  Was it ever available with separate details?

Ron Merrick
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


mopacfirst
 

I did one, right when the Roundhouse kit first came out, as an MP 86000-86149 car.  The model has wire grabs and separate ladders.  I really don't remember carving this detail off the model.  Was it ever available with separate details?

Ron Merrick


Eric Hansmann
 

The MDC/Roundhouse 50-foot single-sheathed boxcars have have been featured a few times on the RCW blog. Here are the direct links. 

Fenton Wells

Fred Jansz


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


On Sep 22, 2021, at 4:42 PM, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

The photo of the model of the WP car with 15' door was built by Fred Jansz from the Roundhouse kit.  He did a great write up on it on Facebook WP modelers group and I think here too.  

Scott McDonald 


Scott
 

The photo of the model of the WP car with 15' door was built by Fred Jansz from the Roundhouse kit.  He did a great write up on it on Facebook WP modelers group and I think here too.  

Scott McDonald 


Andy Carlson
 


Twice the picture was scrubbedd out of the post. I will send this as an attachment.
-AC



This with the picture!

My version of the WP 50' single sheathed autocar. I made the HO patterns 30 years ago with lots of help from Richard Hendrickson. It was my 1st resin car pattern and it has hand scribed boards.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Richard Hendrickson (I think) did an article (in RMJ?) on the Roundhouse and MDC 50' SS double-door boxcars ... listing features for various roads. I'll look it up when I get home tonight, if someone doesn't beat me to it. I *think* your answer is "yes" but want to check.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Andy Carlson
 

This with the picture!

My version of the WP 50' single sheathed autocar. I made the HO patterns 30 years ago with lots of help from Richard Hendrickson. It was my 1st resin car pattern and it has hand scribed boards.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



Richard Hendrickson (I think) did an article (in RMJ?) on the Roundhouse and MDC 50' SS double-door boxcars ... listing features for various roads. I'll look it up when I get home tonight, if someone doesn't beat me to it. I *think* your answer is "yes" but want to check.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Andy Carlson
 

My version of the WP 50' single sheathed autocar. I made the HO patterns 30 years ago with lots of help from Richard Hendrickson. It was my 1st resin car pattern and it has hand scribed boards.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Richard Hendrickson (I think) did an article (in RMJ?) on the Roundhouse and MDC 50' SS double-door boxcars ... listing features for various roads. I'll look it up when I get home tonight, if someone doesn't beat me to it. I *think* your answer is "yes" but want to check.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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brianleppert@att.net
 

Page Porter worked in MDC's art department.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Andy Laurent
 

Resin Car Works has a great blog entry on the WP SS DD boxcars.  Look down into the comments section for the road numbers that retained their original door openings.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/western-pacific-50-foot-automobile-box-car/ 

Andy L. 
Madison, WI


Ray Breyer
 

WP 40001-40100 were 50-foot, single sheathed, end door, auto boxcars.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Tuesday, September 21, 2021, 10:41:06 PM CDT, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:


I recently picked up a WP Roundhouse 50' single sheathed, with steel double doors. Didn't notice the model had a auto door in one end till I got home. Is it still good for WP?
Thanks for all replies,
Clark Propst


Tim O'Connor
 


Oops July 1995 as Eric said

On 9/22/2021 9:05 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Railmodel Journal July 1996 - 9 page article by Richard Hendrickson

I think either Page Porter or Brian Leppert gets the credit for the MDC tooling.

There were 7 physically different kits

  single wood door
  double wood door
  double wood door with end door
  steel double door with end door
  steel double door with end door and nameplate on door
  steel double door with name plate on door
  steel double door

Tim O'Connor


On 9/21/2021 11:41 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:
I recently picked up a WP Roundhouse 50' single sheathed, with steel double doors. Didn't notice the model had a auto door in one end till I got home. Is it still good for WP?
Thanks for all replies,
Clark Propst




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Tim O'Connor
 

Railmodel Journal July 1996 - 9 page article by Richard Hendrickson

I think either Page Porter or Brian Leppert gets the credit for the MDC tooling.

There were 7 physically different kits

  single wood door
  double wood door
  double wood door with end door
  steel double door with end door
  steel double door with end door and nameplate on door
  steel double door with name plate on door
  steel double door

Tim O'Connor

On 9/21/2021 11:41 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:
I recently picked up a WP Roundhouse 50' single sheathed, with steel double doors. Didn't notice the model had a auto door in one end till I got home. Is it still good for WP?
Thanks for all replies,
Clark Propst
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Eric Hansmann
 

Richard's article starts on page 12 of this July 1995 Rail Model Journal.
http://magazine.trainlife.com/rmj_1995_7/

FYI, the Roundhouse model seems to follow real prototypes compared to the Walthers version.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On 09/22/2021 6:45 AM al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:


Hi Clark, 

Richard Hendrickson (I think) did an article (in RMJ?) on the Roundhouse and MDC 50' SS double-door boxcars ... listing features for various roads. I'll look it up when I get home tonight, if someone doesn't beat me to it. I *think* your answer is "yes" but want to check.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.