SFRD Questions
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Nelson Moyer
I just read Volume 2 of the Santa Fe Railway Rolling Stock Reference Series on reefers, USRA rebuilds to be specific, in preparation for building four RCW kits. The text states that Rr-35 and Rr-36 classes got Royal Type F slack adjusters, but the text is silent on the remaining classed from Rr-39/40/45. Did these last three classed got slack adjusters or not? Kit instructions are generic for all classes. They simply say install the slack adjuster.
The second question is about slogan assignments for Rr-45 cars. The table in Appendix B stops at Rr-44. The only photo of a Rr-45 class car is 9516 with El Capitan. Slogan number assignments or photos of Rr-45 cars showing the slogan would be helpful in selecting a road number.
Nelson Moyer |
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Tom Casey commented: If you have a proto photo, there would be stenciling along the lower side to indicate the presence of a slack adjuster. Bob ChaparroHemet, CA |
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Nelson Moyer
The only photo of a Rr-45 I have is the one the Vol. 2 of the reefer book, and small lettering isn’t readable.
Nelson Moyer
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Tom Casey commented: If you have a proto photo, there would be stenciling along the lower side to indicate the presence of a slack adjuster. Bob Chaparro |
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Keith Jordan replied: “SFRD classes Rr-35, -36, -39, -40, -43, -45, -46 and -48, all had Royal type “F” brake adjusters, according to the car folio. For slogans, according to the SFRHMS P&L guide update, published in March 1991, Rr-45 9516 had El Capitan in 1948, 9627 had Chief (date unknown), 9679 had Super Chief in 1972, 9766 had Grand Canyon in 1971. What slogan or slogans were assigned to the class is unknown.” Bob Chaparro Moderator Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group |
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Jerry Mike Harris commented: “According to my Sant Fe car diagram book they received the brake adjuster Royal F.. The RR-53 received the Royal K..(Wichita Shops in 1953)..” Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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Nelson Moyer
Thanks, Bob. The only remaining unanswered question is about the slogan assignments on Rr-45 cars. The only photo I have is 9516 with El Capitan. If I use that road number, I’d have to splice four single digit numbers, which I would prefer not to do if possible. I’ve done it before, and the end numbers are hard to line up individually. I’m still holding out for the information or photos or other Rr-45 cars showing the slogan.
Nelson Moyer
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Jerry Mike Harris commented: “According to my Sant Fe car diagram book they received the brake adjuster Royal F.. The RR-53 received the Royal K..(Wichita Shops in 1953)..” Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Steve SANDIFER
9638 as barn near Coleman, TX. , 9554 as a barn SW of Lubbock. The area around Lubbock has many former ATSF reefers and box cars as barns.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Thanks, Bob. The only remaining unanswered question is about the slogan assignments on Rr-45 cars. The only photo I have is 9516 with El Capitan. If I use that road number, I’d have to splice four single digit numbers, which I would prefer not to do if possible. I’ve done it before, and the end numbers are hard to line up individually. I’m still holding out for the information or photos or other Rr-45 cars showing the slogan.
Nelson Moyer
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Jerry Mike Harris commented: “According to my Sant Fe car diagram book they received the brake adjuster Royal F.. The RR-53 received the Royal K..(Wichita Shops in 1953)..” Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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John Moore
Here is my list of RR-45 SFRD slogans
RR-45 road numbers 9370-9869 500 cars 9516 El Capitan 9627 Chief 9679 Super Chief 9766 Grand Canyon 9638 Grand Canyon Repaints may have the original slogan replaced with what slogan stencil was available in the paint shop. All slogan stencils were not available at all paint shops from time to time. New stencils for the Texas Chief (ca 1948), San Francisco Chief (ca 1957) slogans were also used to replace previous slogans. John B. Moore, Jr. -- okladivjohn@... |
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Nelson Moyer
Thanks, Stephen. Now I have two slogans to choose from.
Nelson Moyer
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9638 as barn near Coleman, TX. , 9554 as a barn SW of Lubbock. The area around Lubbock has many former ATSF reefers and box cars as barns.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Jim Gates
Does anyone have any photograph showing a Texas Chief slogan prior to 1954? Jim Gates On Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 12:06:58 PM CST, John Moore via groups.io <okladivjohn@...> wrote: Here is my list of RR-45 SFRD slogans RR-45 road numbers 9370-9869 500 cars 9516 El Capitan 9627 Chief 9679 Super Chief 9766 Grand Canyon 9638 Grand Canyon Repaints may have the original slogan replaced with what slogan stencil was available in the paint shop. All slogan stencils were not available at all paint shops from time to time. New stencils for the Texas Chief (ca 1948), San Francisco Chief (ca 1957) slogans were also used to replace previous slogans. John B. Moore, Jr. -- okladivjohn@... |
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Nelson Moyer
I have a photo of 9241 with the new Chief slogan. I didn’t record the source. I think it’s the Santa Fe reefer book. The reweigh date is WC 47.
Nelson Moyer
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Does anyone have any photograph showing a Texas Chief slogan prior to 1954? On Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 12:06:58 PM CST, John Moore via groups.io <okladivjohn@...> wrote:
Here is my list of RR-45 SFRD slogans |
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John Moore
On p[age 260 in the Refrigerator Car Book has the information on the slogans, years applied, and new slogans added.
Happy Modeling and Merry Christmas John B. Moore, Jr. -- okladivjohn@... |
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Nelson Moyer
But only through 1944. That leaves out Rr-45 onward.
Nelson Moyer
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On p[age 260 in the Refrigerator Car Book has the information on the slogans, years applied, and new slogans added.
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Jim Gates
Yes, that says the Texas Chief slogan was added in 1948. But I have not seen any photograph or mention of any specific car with this slogan prior to 1954. Jim Gates On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 10:01:53 AM CST, John Moore via groups.io <okladivjohn@...> wrote: On p[age 260 in the Refrigerator Car Book has the information on the slogans, years applied, and new slogans added. Happy Modeling and Merry Christmas John B. Moore, Jr. -- okladivjohn@... |
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This car was painted Texas Chief and it appears to be original paint - Can anyone identify the class? Tim O'Connor On 12/23/2021 8:53 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Jim Gates
Rr-48 and 55 were the only fishbelly underframe cars with 6 foot plug doors when the class was created. But many/most of the earlier rebuilds had them added from 1953 on. The Rr-48 class originally had the old open towards the ends hatches, but I believe they were changed. So it is likely the original paint from when an earlier rebuild was shopped to have the plug door added. Jim Gates On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 01:32:41 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: This car was painted Texas Chief and it appears to be original paint - Can anyone identify the class? Tim O'Connor On 12/23/2021 8:53 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
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D. Scott Chatfield
The SFRD car in Tim O's photo appears to have external ribs. Optical illusion? Scott Chatfield |
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definitely a scanner illusion On 12/24/2021 12:27 PM, D. Scott Chatfield wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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John Moore
Tim
Your photo is of a modernized refrigerator car from the one of the following classes RR-23, 25, 27, 28 or 32. The common features of these classes are the 3 inch top lip on the sides, the inset corner of the reverse dreadnought ends, electric fans and the modernized underframe end sills, 13 foot long 7 inch channel under the 6 foot sliding door. The hatches are turned to open to the end of the car and the bill board and routing boards relocated. The photos I have of a modernized RR-23 with the Texas Chief duplicates all the features of your photo so I would suggest your photo is of an RR-23 modernized in that 1954-59 period - your photo probably dates from the mid to late 1960s. Merry Christmas John B. Moore, Jr.- okladivjohn@... |
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thanks! the photo is from 1975. no longer in revenue service. On 12/24/2021 5:52 PM, John Moore via groups.io wrote: Tim --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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 40ft_reefer Rr- TexasChief PuebloCO 12-1975.ebay.jpg)