Barber Asphalt tank car


Larry Smith
 

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith. 


Eric Hansmann
 

Larry, 

Can you share the reporting marks and car number? The capacity sounds odd but the reporting marks and car number may be used to cross check in an ORER. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Larry Smith <wooddale@...> wrote:

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith. 


Steve and Barb Hile
 

Using Google conversions, 88000 pounds of asphalt would be about 607 cubic feet which converts to about 4540 gallons.  So, a fairly small tank car.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 3:55 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith. 


Larry Smith
 

Eric

How about a photo

Larry Smith

Inline image


On Sunday, January 2, 2022, 04:44:14 PM CST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Larry, 

Can you share the reporting marks and car number? The capacity sounds odd but the reporting marks and car number may be used to cross check in an ORER. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Larry Smith <wooddale@...> wrote:

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith. 


Steve and Barb Hile
 

That’s a much larger tank car, either 8000 or 10000 gallons, but maybe not full.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

Eric

 

How about a photo

 

Larry Smith

 

Inline imageTha

 

 

On Sunday, January 2, 2022, 04:44:14 PM CST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

Larry, 

 

Can you share the reporting marks and car number? The capacity sounds odd but the reporting marks and car number may be used to cross check in an ORER. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Larry Smith <wooddale@...> wrote:

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith. 


Scott H. Haycock
 

I think the load weight limit was met, more or less, but not the car's capacity. I would think that with a heavier product like asphalt, this was common.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 01/02/2022 8:57 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


That’s a much larger tank car, either 8000 or 10000 gallons, but maybe not full.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car


Eric

 

How about a photo

 

Larry Smith

 

Inline imageTha

 

 

On Sunday, January 2, 2022, 04:44:14 PM CST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

Larry, 

 

Can you share the reporting marks and car number? The capacity sounds odd but the reporting marks and car number may be used to cross check in an ORER. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Larry Smith <wooddale@...> wrote:

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith. 



Steve and Barb Hile
 

Especially for the narrow gauge trucks!!

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 10:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

I think the load weight limit was met, more or less, but not the car's capacity. I would think that with a heavier product like asphalt, this was common.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 01/02/2022 8:57 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

 

That’s a much larger tank car, either 8000 or 10000 gallons, but maybe not full.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

Eric

 

How about a photo

 

Larry Smith

 

Inline imageTha

 

 

On Sunday, January 2, 2022, 04:44:14 PM CST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

Larry, 

 

Can you share the reporting marks and car number? The capacity sounds odd but the reporting marks and car number may be used to cross check in an ORER. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Larry Smith <wooddale@...> wrote:

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith. 

 


Jack Mullen
 

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 03:44 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Using Google conversions, 88000 pounds of asphalt would be about 607 cubic feet which converts to about 4540 gallons.  So, a fairly small tank car.

Whoa there! It looks like Google is using a density for asphalt pavement, which would be around 145 lb/cf. What you want is the density of liquid asphalt, which isn't much greater than that of water.  A specific gravity of 1.04 would be about 65 lb/cf or 8.7 lb/gal.  88,000 lbs is a good match to a fully loaded 10,000 gal tank.

Jack Mullen

 

 


Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks for the correction.  I took the first value I saw.  I also now see a value of 7.91 pounds per gallon, which nets 11,125 gallons.

 

The 10000 gallon value makes sense when viewing the tank car in the photo.

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 12:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 03:44 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Using Google conversions, 88000 pounds of asphalt would be about 607 cubic feet which converts to about 4540 gallons.  So, a fairly small tank car.

Whoa there! It looks like Google is using a density for asphalt pavement, which would be around 145 lb/cf. What you want is the density of liquid asphalt, which isn't much greater than that of water.  A specific gravity of 1.04 would be about 65 lb/cf or 8.7 lb/gal.  88,000 lbs is a good match to a fully loaded 10,000 gal tank.

Jack Mullen