Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
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Nelson Moyer
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
Nelson Moyer
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Nelson Moyer
Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
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Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
Nelson Moyer
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Would an ORER overall height help?
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Rob On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote: Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo. Nelson Moyer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars. I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short. Nelson Moyer |
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Nelson Moyer
Yes, that and the height to the running board are usually given on the car diagram sheet. That’s how I arrived at the XM-17/18 height above running board. Total height alone doesn’t help. Martin gave the information for the SM-21/22/33 in the instructions.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 9:17 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
Would an ORER overall height help?
Rob
On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
Nelson Moyer
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I’m not sure I understand the question Nelson. I’d thought that for a car with horizontal brake wheel above running board, the brake wheel would be the top most item and so the overall height would tell you the height of the wheel.
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Rob On Jan 9, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote: Yes, that and the height to the running board are usually given on the car diagram sheet. That’s how I arrived at the XM-17/18 height above running board. Total height alone doesn’t help. Martin gave the information for the SM-21/22/33 in the instructions. Nelson Moyer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert kirkham Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 9:17 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question Would an ORER overall height help? Rob On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote: Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo. Nelson Moyer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars. I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short. Nelson Moyer |
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Kai Solvei
Nelson, does this help?
Kai Solvei Norway
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 03:53 To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
Nelson Moyer
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The picture attached is what I use as a guide. It is for drop-type hand wheels. It shows how high the wheel should be in the raised position.
I could not find any books with an exact measurement. Generally the wheel is 18 to 19 inches above the running board or the platform. I think of it as the height above anywhere the brakeman has his footing. This would include flat cars Ron Christensen 
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Ray Breyer
ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams). Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:17:05 PM CST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Would an ORER overall height help? Rob On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote: Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo. Nelson Moyer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars. I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short. Nelson Moyer |
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Nelson Moyer
Thanks, Ray. I didn’t know it listed both heights. Model railroading is lifelong learning.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:38 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams).
Ray Breyer
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Nelson Moyer
Perfect! Thank you for that car diagram.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 11:55 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
Nelson, does this help?
Kai Solvei Norway
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer via groups.io
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
Nelson Moyer
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Nelson Moyer
Yes, it tells you the overall height of the wheel above track level but unless you also know the height of the car, you don’t know the distance between the running board and the wheel. Cars are built to different heights, and brake wheel spacing is different for cars with and without brake steps. The shortest space I’ve seen is 9 in. and the longest space is 15 in. For modeling purposes, I need to know where to cut the brake staff off to mount the brake wheel at the proper distance from the running board.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 11:37 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
I’m not sure I understand the question Nelson. I’d thought that for a car with horizontal brake wheel above running board, the brake wheel would be the top most item and so the overall height would tell you the height of the wheel.
Rob
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John Barry
And the XM-25-26 series is the first entry in the CB&Q listing on page 557 of the Jan 1943 ORER reprint. It list the same dimensions for height of running board and extreme height as the folio diagram so thoughtfully provided by Kai. Now, if only Ted will re-run the kit . . . I missed it on initial issue. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696
On Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:38:05 AM EST, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:
ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams). Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:17:05 PM CST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Would an ORER overall height help? Rob On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote: Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo. Nelson Moyer From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:53 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars. I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short. Nelson Moyer |
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Nelson Moyer
The last run was the second or third run. If Ted chooses to rerun the kit, he needs to correct a major error on the resin parts sheet. Nine underframe parts are missing, two cross bearers, three cross ties, and four bolster halves. I found this error when I started to build the underframe, and I emailed Ted at two different email addresses with no response. Since parts availability looked grim with the kit sold out and an unresponsive seller, I used the parts I have to make a mold and cast the missing parts for both my kits, one of which I sold recently. There’s no excuse for such an oversight, and surely I’m not the first to make this unwelcomed discovery. You shouldn’t have to cast your own parts to build a high priced resin kit. Yes, I’m disgruntled with Speedwitch.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 9:09 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
And the XM-25-26 series is the first entry in the CB&Q listing on page 557 of the Jan 1943 ORER reprint. It list the same dimensions for height of running board and extreme height as the folio diagram so thoughtfully provided by Kai. Now, if only Ted will re-run the kit . . . I missed it on initial issue.
John Barry
ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA
707-490-9696
On Monday, January 10, 2022, 09:38:05 AM EST, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:
ORERs list "height to running boards" and "overall height". Subtract the two numbers to find the height of a vertical brake staff (there's really no standard height, beyond clearance diagrams).
Ray Breyer
On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:17:05 PM CST, Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
Would an ORER overall height help?
Rob
On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
Class correction, not XM15/16, but XM-25/26. Typo.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
While building Speedwitch K106, I got to the brake wheel step, and the instructions say look at pictures for placement. Considering that most side and end photos are taken from a low angle, that instruction lacks precision. The car in question is a CB&Q XM-26 single sheathed boxcar without a brake platform. I know that brake wheels on cars without brake platforms were higher above the running board, than for cars with brake platforms. But I can’t find a range of heights above running boards for cars without brake platforms. I checked the two part article on Safety Appliances in the January 1995 and February 1996 Mainline Modeler, and no heights above running boards are given for any cars.
I checked Sunshine instructions, but the only cars without brake platforms I’ve built are XM17/18 with a wheel height above running board of 10 ½ in. and XM-21/22/23 with a wheel height above the running board of 15 in. I don’t have the car diagram sheet for the XM-15/16 cars. Sunshine issued a kit for this car, #17.1 in 1992, but it was discontinued due to short height as I recall. Does anyone have the Sunshine instructions for that kit? It’s possible Martin have the wheel height above running board. Lacking precise information for the XM-26, is there an accepted range for cars without brake steps? From the photos I have, 15 in. above the running board looks short.
Nelson Moyer
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I would be interested to hear different height measurements from the point where a man can stand to the brake wheel. Thinking more about it, it would seem a brakeman would want the brake wheel in a position where he can get the most power on the wheel and that probably is table height, which is 28 to 32 inches.
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Nelson Moyer
The only two brake wheel heights I have for cars without brake steps are 15 in. for CB&Q XM-17/18 built in 1911, and 19 in. for CB&Q XM-25/26 built in 1922 and 1926.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 7:16 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
I would be interested to hear different height measurements from the point where a man can stand to the brake wheel. Thinking more about it, it would seem a brakeman would want the brake wheel in a position where he can get the most power on the wheel and that
probably is table height, which is 28 to 32 inches.
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Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 05:15 AM, ron christensen wrote:
Thinking more about it, it would seem a brakeman would want the brake wheel in a position where he can get the most power on the wheel and that probably is table height, which is 28 to 32 inches.But horizontal brake wheels were typically tightened with a brake club, the angle of which added to the effective height of the brake wheel. My favorite railroad safety film, Why Risk Your Life? spends several minutes illustrating the proper way to operate both horizontal and vertical wheel hand brakes, beginning about 16:00. It also illustrates the right and wrong way to drop a car by the engine at about 5:00, something that many modelers insist is against the rules. Dennis Storzek |
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Nelson Moyer
Thanks for posting this link, Dennis. Fascinating video. One thing that caught my attention was that sometime it is necessary to stop the engine and manually adjust the knuckle for reliable coupling. We modelers do that too, using an uncoupling pick reposition the coupler shank or open the knuckle. Now I know that it’s a prototypical move and not just something we have to do because the coupler spring isn’t working properly on a particular car.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:26 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 05:15 AM, ron christensen wrote:
But horizontal brake wheels were typically tightened with a brake club, the angle of which added to the effective height of the brake wheel. _._,_._,_
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Dave Parker
In the FWIW dept:
Most house cars with horizontal brake wheels were built before ~1930, so I thought it might be helpful to review the relevant Safety Appliances standards that prevailed at that time. They were pretty bare bones: 1. wheel dia at least 15", preferably 16" 2. staff centerline 17-22" from car-end CL 3. at least 4" clearance from any surface around the wheel itself. 4. brake safely operable while car in motion 5. brake step optional That's it. I can't find any minimum or maximum (or typical) height above roof or running board. It looks like a car-by-car decision. I did not look at flat cars, gons, or hoppers. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA |
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Todd Sullivan
Nelson,
Thanks for your post of the anecdote about having to align couplers to make a good joint. That happens more than we might think. I'll add a couple of anecdotes from my train-watching experience involving getting couplers to work. One afternoon long ago, I was taking freight car photos in Erie-Lackawanna's Port Jervis Yard, and a switch crew was trying to couple their loco to a NYC boxcar. For some reason, the coupler pin on the boxcar was not dropping, and the coupler was misaligned for the joint to begin with. So, the switchman adjusted the coupler's position, followed by about 10 attempts to couple up, accompanied with a lot of loud banging. I think they finally got the pin to drop after yankiing on the cut lever several times in between coupling attempts. I also witnessed a situation where a Conrail crew tried to pull a new locomotive (might have been an SD70) with its brakes set. The GP38s revved up and revved up, wheels slipped, and suddenly the GP38's coupler popped up and out of the grip of the SD70's coupler. I've had similar things happen with Kadees where the load is too much or the loco to pull. These prototype experiences taught me that the problems I've had with Kadees that are correctly installed have prototype corollaries, so Kadees work in a very realistic fashion. Todd Sullivan |
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Ray Breyer
Here's a link to a downloadable version: Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 04:59:31 PM CST, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
Thanks for posting this link, Dennis. Fascinating video. One thing that caught my attention was that sometime it is necessary to stop the engine and manually adjust the knuckle for reliable coupling. We modelers do that too, using an uncoupling pick reposition the coupler shank or open the knuckle. Now I know that it’s a prototypical move and not just something we have to do because the coupler spring isn’t working properly on a particular car.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:26 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Horizontal Brake Wheel Above Running Board Question
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 05:15 AM, ron christensen wrote:
But horizontal brake wheels were typically tightened with a brake club, the angle of which added to the effective height of the brake wheel.
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