Keeley Can
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Andy Cich
Previously on this list, modelers shared their techniques for adding the Keeley hooks to box cars. The link below will take you to an upcoming auction for one of the cans. The listing has plenty of good photos.
For the record, I have no interest in the auction house.
Andy Cich |
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Interesting! I grabbed them because they'll disappear after the auction ends. :-) Did these things actually work?
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Tim my understanding from the BRHS group is that these were filled with water and hung from hooks just above the truck with a hotbox. A hose was run to the journal box/bearing that was overheating, allowing a slow drip of water to cool the bearing. This permitted the car to be moved until an appropriate setout place could be reached.
Doug Harding
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spsalso
They must have, or they wouldn't have used them.
I've heard SP&S vets talk about them. I don't recall a description, and it's hard to believe they used something as fancy as this one. Ed Edward Sutorik |
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It surprises me only because I know that the heat could be so intense that journals were known to 'melt' and just give way. But I guess in those days the train crews were more aware of the condition of their train since the trains weren't 2 or 3 miles long... :-) On 2/26/2022 4:11 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Tim and List Members,
I think the intention was to 'baby' the car with the bad journal at very
low speed to the next siding - not to blast along at normal operating speed. The
train crew may even have been rolling slow enough for one of the brakemen to
walk along with the crippled car to make sure things did not reach the breaking
point.
Claus Schlund
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Todd Sullivan
Or moving as fast as they do today, and with cabooses. I once rode a train where we had a hotbox occur, and even after they repacked it, you could clearly smell it from the caboose. Hotboxes were really smelly.
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Like a burned clutch or brakes. Smells like burning seaweed. If you’ve ever done either, you know.
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone) On Feb 26, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:
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Jack Burgess <jack@...>
I have a sidebar in my book on the Yosemite Valley Railroad which a YV brakeman told me about Keeleys:
PLAIN BEARINGS “The YV had plain bearings in all of [the trucks on] the cars, and when you’d have a hot box or one that is warming up, they’d hang what you’d call a Keeley. This was a tank with water in it and a hose and you’d just open the journal box lid and fasten the hose in there and it would just kinda drip in there and keep that sucker cool enough so that you could get to some place to set it out or take it into Merced Falls that way. “It looked like one of these tanks that you carry air in for airing up tires remote from the pump. It was hung right off of a grab iron and I suppose that it was 2'-3' long and 10" in diameter and it had this rubber hose on it. You’d just hang that thing in there and keep things cool. I don’t think that it was made by the Keeley Company at all. I think that that was just a clever name they hung on it. [Keeley was a satirical reference to the “Keeley Cure”, a bottled concoction developed by Dr. Leslie E. Keeley in the 1890s as a cure for alcoholism and other additions.] “I remember one time they burned a journal so bad that we had to change the wheels. That is hard to do with a car load of logs. With arch bar trucks it’s not too bad, you can just drop the bolts and pull the journal boxes and the whole works comes out. With a car with cast trucks, you can’t do that out in the field, you’d have to go out with a wrecker and put a new truck on it.” - Bob Lunoe, YV Brakeman
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Larry Buell
Klaus, That as what was done (babying the affected car) on the Santa Fe. In the 1980s, we had a total failure of a roller bearing between Joliet and Romeo, on the Illinois Division. The bearing turned white hot and metal was dripping along the right-of-way. The train crew slow-walked along the main track, hoping that the car wouldn’t derail. Fortunately, we still had side tracks at Romeo where the car was set out until the mechanical dept. wheel-truck could come and replace the wheel set. Larry Buell |
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hubert mask
Which hot box detector caught it. Was it the one hard to drive too.
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Hubert On Feb 27, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Larry Buell <lbuell@...> wrote:
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Charlie Vlk
All- The CB&Q had their own tin shop where such items were made in-house. I think it was located in the Aurora (Illinois) shops. Charlie Vlk
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