IHB 40’ 1944 boxcar with 5/5 ends


Charlie Duckworth
 

Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Benjamin Hom
 

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


Charlie Duckworth
 

Ben
Thanks!  

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 10:07 AM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Brian Carlson
 

Tim earlier End design for 10-6 cars not covered by Branchline kit. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

Why is that relevant? The IHB cars had W-corner ends for both types of car.


On 4/22/2022 1:02 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:

Tim earlier End design for 10-6 cars not covered by Branchline kit. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B?

I meant Lot 730-B is a 10 ft 6 in Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar with 5/5 ends, and not the Postwar AAR boxcar represented by the Branchline Blueprint / Atlas kit.

"The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars"

Correct.  You must have looked at the handout from my NYCS boxcar talk that I gave last week on Hindsight 20/20 13.0.


Ben Hom


Seth Lakin
 

Builders photos of both series of cars are on the New York Central System Historical Society online photo archive. Lower res photos are free, higher resolution scans only cost a couple of dollars. 

Lot 729-B IHB 10000-10599 10’IH DSI 1944

https://nycshs.omeka.net/search?query=729-B&query_type=exact_match&record_types%5B%5D=Item&submit_search=Search

Lot 730-B IHB 10600-10999 10’6” IH DSI 1944
https://nycshs.omeka.net/search?query=730-b&query_type=exact_match&record_types%5B%5D=Item&submit_search=Search


Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


Brian Carlson
 

The Branchline 10-6 kit does not include 5-5 ends. Ergo Intermountain. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 1:07 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Brian

Why is that relevant? The IHB cars had W-corner ends for both types of car.


On 4/22/2022 1:02 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote:
Tim earlier End design for 10-6 cars not covered by Branchline kit. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 22, 2022, at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Ben

I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B ?

The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars

You're right the 729 is IMWX/RedCaboose/Branchline and the 730 is the Intermountain. ( Or Athearn :-D )
The two sizes of the AAR design cars were built concurrently in the 1930's and 1940's.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/22/2022 11:06 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Charlie Duckworth asked:
"Since I bought NSC NYC decals there’s an IHB subject on the sheet I’d like to do.  I’ve found a photo of a car with 5/5 ends. Did Branchline offer this end in their 40’ boxcar series?"

They did not...but why use the Branchline model as a starting point?  What's wrong with the Intermountain 10 ft 6 in IH Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar model?  Despite the 1944 build date, IHB 10600-10699 (Lot 730-B) were built to the earlier design.  See Ed Hawkins' spreadsheet for details.

Photo from Rich Burg's collection:


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Tim O'Connor
 


lol - no sorry I missed that meet

I assumed we were only talking about the Branchline 1937 AAR kits and not the postwar cars
since those are not relevant to Charlie's question


On 4/22/2022 1:16 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Tim O'Connor asked:
"I didn't follow that exactly -- what do you mean by "earlier design" for the 730-B?

I meant Lot 730-B is a 10 ft 6 in Modified 1937 AAR Boxcar with 5/5 ends, and not the Postwar AAR boxcar represented by the Branchline Blueprint / Atlas kit.

"The 729-B's were the 10-0 cars
The 730-B's were the 10-6 cars"

Correct.  You must have looked at the handout from my NYCS boxcar talk that I gave last week on Hindsight 20/20 13.0.


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Andy Carlson
 

And, unfortunately for us modelers, the Intermountain 5/5 EDE is about 0.040" too narrow to fit a Branchline car, which complicates the otherwise easy kitbash.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, April 22, 2022, 10:25:25 AM PDT, Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


The Branchline 10-6 kit does not include 5-5 ends. Ergo Intermountain. 

Brian J. Carlson