PRR X31A Question


gary laakso
 

The current issue of Classic Trains, Summer 2022, on page 52 has an October 11, 1952 picture of a Western Maryland train with a PRR X31A in the lower center of the picture.    There is a rectangular plate with 4 small bolts at the corners and three large bolts in the center of the plate that is located at the top of the roof curve above the door with the tackboard on it.  The plate maybe 7 inches by 18 inches.   What could the plate be used for?

 

Of course, the photo does not have a car number shown. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 


Todd Sullivan
 

Gary,

Sounds like a trust plate.  I think that most trust plates were cast metal early-on, and then RRs decided on a cheaper way to record the trust (loan) series for the cars by stenciling the trust information, usually in an upper corner of the car side.

Todd Sullivan


Philip Dove
 

If it was a Trust plate why would it have three large bolts in the middle? They may of course not be bolts but some cast relief detail, possibly the logo of a trust company.


gary laakso
 

Todd:

 

The plate is on the top of the roof curve and a trust plate would not need three large bolts in the center of it; he four at the corners would hold it.  Trust plates need to be visible to provide legal notice that the car is owned by a third party, not the railroad and that the trust is recorded at the ICC.  Not likely a trust plate and if it was, the plates would be on all of the cars funded by the lessor. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

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Gary,

Sounds like a trust plate.  I think that most trust plates were cast metal early-on, and then RRs decided on a cheaper way to record the trust (loan) series for the cars by stenciling the trust information, usually in an upper corner of the car side.

Todd Sullivan


Allan Smith
 

It looks more like a patch in the roof.   Page 62

Al Smith

Sonora CA

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:23:28 AM PDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Todd:

 

The plate is on the top of the roof curve and a trust plate would not need three large bolts in the center of it; he four at the corners would hold it.  Trust plates need to be visible to provide legal notice that the car is owned by a third party, not the railroad and that the trust is recorded at the ICC.  Not likely a trust plate and if it was, the plates would be on all of the cars funded by the lessor. 

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X31A Question

 

Gary,

Sounds like a trust plate.  I think that most trust plates were cast metal early-on, and then RRs decided on a cheaper way to record the trust (loan) series for the cars by stenciling the trust information, usually in an upper corner of the car side.

Todd Sullivan