UP 40' Double door automobile car
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Jim Pattison
Ken, That will be impressive when finished. Jim
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 2:24 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP 40' Double door automobile car
I have been working on a repaint/decal of the RTR Trix UP
A-50-16. The body is considered fairly accurate according to most
authorities. The under side and underframe is where I am hung up as I have to
build a completely scratch underframe AND add the Evans Loader chain cylinders
which are visible below the side sills. These impacted the location of the
brake gear components attached to the underframe and underside. |
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Clark Propst
Thank Rich. Glad I model a few year earlier so I’m not tempted
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Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa |
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I have been working on a repaint/decal of the RTR Trix UP A-50-16. The body is considered fairly accurate according to most authorities. The under side and underframe is where I am hung up as I have to build a completely scratch underframe AND add the Evans Loader chain cylinders which are visible below the side sills. These impacted the location of the brake gear components attached to the underframe and underside.
 Decaling still in very slow progress. I am still looking for an accurate plan showing the underside brake and loader component placement. National Scale Car has this decal with white lettering and which is correct until the UP switched to all yellow lettering in 1947. These cars were probably still mostly in white and yellow in the early 1950's, my modeling period. -- Ken Adams Omicron BA2.2 may come and go but I still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude Location: About half way up Walnut Creek Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io |
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Jim Pattison
Richard, thanks, that is great info. I appreciate all the detail. Jim Pattison
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Remiarz
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 1:44 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP 40' Double door automobile car
The model is a combination of two prototype cars. The roof, ends, and side sill match the GN 3000-3499 series built in 1955, while the sides, ends, and doors match the 3500-3999 series built in 1956. To correctly model the 3500-3599 series the roof needs to be changed to an overhanging diagonal panel roof and the side sills modified. The 3000-3499 series had a 15’ door opening with a 7’ and 8’ door and different rivet pattern on the sides.
There will be an article on kit-bashing the 3000-3499 series cars by Ted Fandel in an upcoming issue of the GNRHS Modelers’ Pages. Being the editor for the Modelers’ Pages I get to see the articles ahead of time, and am in the process of building one of these cars myself. I just finished the master of the left hand door yesterday. The door is pieced together from three pieces from two different Kadee 7’ Youngstown doors. The door on the right is a Kadee 8’ door. Joe Binish will make a mold of the door next week. I need to build several of these cars for my layout so additional doors will be cast.
I am also working on one of the 3500 series cars. I shortened a Branchline 50’ overhanging diagonal panel roof and cut down the side sills. I am currently detailing the underframe.
Sincerely, Rich Remiarz Vadnais Heights, MN
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From: Andy Carlson
This car is the Mckeen Models 40' DD box car. Diagonal panel roof, "banana taper" Dreadnaught end and twin 6' IYSD with a door post centered between the L & R doors. Those ends indicate at least a 1955 build date. This car has been discussed many times to this group. To me, it seems close to a 1955 built Great Northern car though the side sill is wrong and the roof should be an overhanging eave design.
GN 3975, one of 500 in the series of 3500-3999, all built in 1955. -Andy Carlson
From: On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
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Richard Remiarz
The model is a combination of two prototype cars. The roof, ends, and side sill match the GN 3000-3499 series built in 1955, while the sides, ends, and doors match the 3500-3999 series built in 1956. To correctly model the 3500-3599 series the roof needs to be changed to an overhanging diagonal panel roof and the side sills modified. The 3000-3499 series had a 15’ door opening with a 7’ and 8’ door and different rivet pattern on the sides.
There will be an article on kit-bashing the 3000-3499 series cars by Ted Fandel in an upcoming issue of the GNRHS Modelers’ Pages. Being the editor for the Modelers’ Pages I get to see the articles ahead of time, and am in the process of building one of these cars myself. I just finished the master of the left hand door yesterday. The door is pieced together from three pieces from two different Kadee 7’ Youngstown doors. The door on the right is a Kadee 8’ door. Joe Binish will make a mold of the door next week. I need to build several of these cars for my layout so additional doors will be cast.
I am also working on one of the 3500 series cars. I shortened a Branchline 50’ overhanging diagonal panel roof and cut down the side sills. I am currently detailing the underframe.
Sincerely, Rich Remiarz Vadnais Heights, MN
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From: Andy Carlson
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 3:01 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP 40' Double door automobile car
This car is the Mckeen Models 40' DD box car. Diagonal panel roof, "banana taper" Dreadnaught end and twin 6' IYSD with a door post centered between the L & R doors. Those ends indicate at least a 1955 build date. This car has been discussed many times to this group. To me, it seems close to a 1955 built Great Northern car though the side sill is wrong and the roof should be an overhanging eave design.
GN 3975, one of 500 in the series of 3500-3999, all built in 1955. -Andy Carlson
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On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
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Andy Carlson
This car is the Mckeen Models 40' DD box car. Diagonal panel roof, "banana taper" Dreadnaught end and twin 6' IYSD with a door post centered between the L & R doors. Those ends indicate at least a 1955 build date. This car has been discussed many times to this group. To me, it seems close to a 1955 built Great Northern car though the side sill is wrong and the roof should be an overhanging eave design.   GN 3975, one of 500 in the series of 3500-3999, all built in 1955. -Andy Carlson From: On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
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Jim Pattison
Thank you Tim and Rich. I appreciate the help. Jim Pattison
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
[mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:58 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP 40' Double door automobile car
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Is that the Accurail model ? It's very similar to many prototypes but I don't think there is any exact match for the sides + door opening + ends + roof. Definitely not a UP A-50-16. On 7/16/2022 12:44 PM, Jim Pattison wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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I take it these are Accurail? Anyhow, this car has the wrong roof for an A-50-16, should be Murphy panel. The only other DD 40' UP would be an A-50-19, but I believe the doors may be too small? It is also lacking ACR riveting, otherwise it could be a stand-in at best. Rich Christie
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 11:45:13 AM CDT, Jim Pattison <jim@...> wrote:
I picked up a couple of these cars a long time ago. Now I am wondering are they even close to being accurate? Thanks Jim Pattison |
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Jim Pattison
I picked up a couple of these cars a long time ago. Now I am wondering are they even close to being accurate? Thanks Jim Pattison |
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