McKean-Accurail box car (was UP 40' Double door automobile car)
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Oh, WOW, I never noticed that !! Yes, the panel sizes are incorrect on the Red Caboose 8 foot door cars because the original Front Range tooling had the wrong panel sizes ! When Bill McClung redid the kit he may not have known about this mistake. Other confirmation is that the underframe crossbars are spaced for a 6 foot door, not an 8 foot door -- So Front Range (Fred Becker's) legacy of errors and shortcuts continues to screw us! :-D Branchline is the best choice, then. I'd check the Branchline underframe crossbearers to see if BLT made a correct underframe for the 8 foot doors, or if they also just re-used the underframe from a 6 foot door model. OR we could use the Red Caboose -welded- side 8 foot door cars, and add Archer rivets at the appropriate locations. 8-) Tim O'Connor On 7/17/2022 3:34 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
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Richard Remiarz
I just looked again, and did find a Red Caboose 8700 series kit unbuilt. Maybe this says something about having too many unbuilt kits.
Attached are photos of the Branchline doors with the Red Caboose car. I don’t like this option. This option results in very narrow side panels on each side of the door. It looks like Red Caboose took the tooling for a side with a 6’ door and simply widened the door opening. The panels on each side of the door are much narrower than the remaining panels on the sides. The kit does include a nice diagonal panel roof a much nicer parts. However, this particular version looks like the ends are the same as the Front Range ends. I think I will use the roof and detail parts from this kit with the Front Range body to make one of the cars and the Branchline kit to make another car.
Sincerely, Rich Remiarz Vadnais Heights, MN
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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 2:15 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] McKean-Accurail box car (was UP 40' Double door automobile car)
Tim and Andy,
This has been an interesting discussion. Thanks for reminding me about the RC-8700 series kits. I thought I had a good use for some old Front Range cars I had on the shelf, but looks like there may be better alternatives.
I went through my stash of boxcar kits to see what I could find. I don’t have a RC-8700 series kit to compare. I did compare the panels on the Front Range boxcar with the Branchline 8’ door car that Andy Carlson recommended. The panel lines on the Branchline car match up better with the prototype car. The Branchline car will require more work on the side sill. The 8’ and 7’ Branchline doors work ( I happened to find one kit with 7’ doors still unbuilt).
It is easy to add a Branchline diagonal panel roof to the Front Range car to upgrade the look, much more work to change the ends. The side sills only need to be extended to the ends of the car.
I like either of these options over the McKean/Accurail car for the 3000 series.
Attached are photos comparing the Branchline and Front Range cars with the prototype. In the end, I think I will build one car each way and share the results.
Sincerely, Rich Remiarz
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Richard Remiarz
Tim and Andy,
This has been an interesting discussion. Thanks for reminding me about the RC-8700 series kits. I thought I had a good use for some old Front Range cars I had on the shelf, but looks like there may be better alternatives.
I went through my stash of boxcar kits to see what I could find. I don’t have a RC-8700 series kit to compare. I did compare the panels on the Front Range boxcar with the Branchline 8’ door car that Andy Carlson recommended. The panel lines on the Branchline car match up better with the prototype car. The Branchline car will require more work on the side sill. The 8’ and 7’ Branchline doors work ( I happened to find one kit with 7’ doors still unbuilt).
It is easy to add a Branchline diagonal panel roof to the Front Range car to upgrade the look, much more work to change the ends. The side sills only need to be extended to the ends of the car.
I like either of these options over the McKean/Accurail car for the 3000 series.
Attached are photos comparing the Branchline and Front Range cars with the prototype. In the end, I think I will build one car each way and share the results.
Sincerely, Rich Remiarz
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From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:16 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] McKean-Accurail box car (was UP 40' Double door automobile car)
Rich
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Plate C has produced some detail parts in HO. O nore are the drop brake staff m echanism for flat cars. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Tom Madden via groups.io" <pullmanboss@...> Date: 7/17/22 6:22 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] McKean-Accurail box car (was UP 40' Double door automobile car)
Looks like it's this one. Photo taken at the Alpha Cement plant at Martins Creek PA in October 1960. Tom Madden |
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Rich
Yet ANOTHER way is to use the much improved Front Range 4070 box car kits from Red Caboose, kit # RC-8700. These have vastly improved roofs, doors, underframes, ladders, you name it. The tooling is now owned by Intermountain, but I don't know if they still offer these fine box car models. :-) On 7/17/2022 1:27 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
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Another way of building the 3000-3499 series is using the Front Range 4070 boxcar kits. These also had an 8’ door, resulting in narrower panels. As Andy said, putting an 8’ and 7’ door on the McKean/Accurail car results in narrow side panels on either side of the doors.
Rich Remiarz
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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:09:52 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] McKean-Accurail box car (was UP 40' Double door automobile car) Tim-
Before the huge rush to model a 3000-3499 series of GN DD 40' boxcar with the McKean DD car, consider this--that series of cars has a 15' door opening, which has its 8 riveted panels narrower than for a car with only 12' door openings (McKean).
My suggestion, if interested, would be to use a Branchline (now Atlas) single 8' door 40' box car. Add the L door from a modified Branchline 7' door. The BL ends are a vast improvement over the McKean car's and the right side 5 panels will be
right-on correct width. Many of us have a Branchline 50' overhanging eave roof in their stash. The diagonal rivet lines on each side of the door opening--simply run a pounce wheel. Absolutly no one will notice these rivets were inies unless told! Or Archers.
-Andy
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 On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 07:31:45 AM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Yep. As Andy says we've discussed the McKean (now Accurail) car many times. The easiest one to model closely (without major mods to the roof) is the 3000-3499 series. This Jim Parker shot is one of my favorites for the series, freshly painted bright red, and in perfect N scale perspective (as it would appear on a layout). And the Muncie & Western "Ball Line" car too! Oh, and that Western Maryland 2 bay hopper will be forthcoming in 3-D printed resin from the same person who makes 3-D printed Chrysler and Scullin and other trucks and items -- Adam Chilcote. :-) https://platecmp.com/index.php/product/4008-01/ Tim O'Connor On 7/16/2022 4:44 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
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Tom Madden
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 08:56 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Looks like it's this one. Photo taken at the Alpha Cement plant at Martins Creek PA in October 1960. Tom Madden |
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Andy Carlson
Tim- Before the huge rush to model a 3000-3499 series of GN DD 40' boxcar with the McKean DD car, consider this--that series of cars has a 15' door opening, which has its 8 riveted panels narrower than for a car with only 12' door openings (McKean). My suggestion, if interested, would be to use a Branchline (now Atlas) single 8' door 40' box car. Add the L door from a modified Branchline 7' door. The BL ends are a vast improvement over the McKean car's and the right side 5 panels will be right-on correct width. Many of us have a Branchline 50' overhanging eave roof in their stash. The diagonal rivet lines on each side of the door opening--simply run a pounce wheel. Absolutly no one will notice these rivets were inies unless told! Or Archers. -Andy Making this-------------  From This------- 
On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 07:31:45 AM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Yep. As Andy says we've discussed the McKean (now Accurail) car many times. The easiest one to model closely (without major mods to the roof) is the 3000-3499 series. This Jim Parker shot is one of my favorites for the series, freshly painted bright red, and in perfect N scale perspective (as it would appear on a layout). And the Muncie & Western "Ball Line" car too! Oh, and that Western Maryland 2 bay hopper will be forthcoming in 3-D printed resin from the same person who makes 3-D printed Chrysler and Scullin and other trucks and items -- Adam Chilcote. :-) https://platecmp.com/index.php/product/4008-01/ Tim O'Connor On 7/16/2022 4:44 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
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Check out this Plate C hobbies, never heard of them but they are doing a 2 bay WM hopper On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 10:31 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Yep. As Andy says we've discussed the McKean (now Accurail) car many times. The easiest one to model closely (without major mods to the roof) is the 3000-3499 series. This Jim Parker shot is one of my favorites for the series, freshly painted bright red, and in perfect N scale perspective (as it would appear on a layout). And the Muncie & Western "Ball Line" car too! Oh, and that Western Maryland 2 bay hopper will be forthcoming in 3-D printed resin from the same person who makes 3-D printed Chrysler and Scullin and other trucks and items -- Adam Chilcote. :-) https://platecmp.com/index.php/product/4008-01/ Tim O'Connor On 7/16/2022 4:44 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
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