stock car capacity
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Steve SANDIFER
The K7A is a 40’ car. I put an intermountain ATSF body on the BLI frame and sound system to create a sound car that looks like ATSF. Because of the way it is constructed, I did not think it reasonable to move the system to the Intermountain undercarriage. The bolster locations are off, but 99% of folks would not know the difference.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2022 9:43 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
Drew Bunn asked: "Not to open a can of worms, but could one put a sound decoder in a freight car?"
Sure. In fact, Broadway Limited will be happy to sell you mooing and oinking PRR Class K7A stock cars in HO scale.
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Benjamin Hom
Drew Bunn asked: "Not to open a can of worms, but could one put a sound decoder in a freight car?" Sure. In fact, Broadway Limited will be happy to sell you mooing and oinking PRR Class K7A stock cars in HO scale. Ben Hom |
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Drew Bunn
If l was that concerned l would concentrate on intermittent oinking and grunting sounds from the cars.Not to open a can of worms, but could one put a sound decoder in a freight car? __________________________________ Drew Bunn drew.r.bunn@... Cell - (905) 483-0758 On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 10:29 AM Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:
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Philip Dove
Sorry l only have my smart phone and have never tried posting a picture, how do l do this? My general conclusion re cutouts was it probably wasn't worth doing, though it was better thank trying to fill the cars with model animals. Only if your layout is at eye level and you are really looking can you tell whether a North American stock car is loaded or empty as it sits on the rails. If l was that concerned l would concentrate on intermittent oinking and grunting sounds from the cars. -------- Original message -------- From: Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022, 14:27 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity Hi, |
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Hi,
I, for one, would appreciate it if someone who has already done the "cutouts thing" would post the artwork used in filles or photos. (Why re-invent the wheel?) - Jim in the PNW |
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Steve SANDIFER
What year? What kind of animal? They vary. For instance Chicago’s record for the greatest number of stock cars received in one 24 hour period was 3,228 cars. Wow. The stock yard records I have say how many animals were shipped out vs. shipped in, but it does not say to which destination they were shipped. If they were feeder animals, they could have gone anywhere for fattening. If a rancher was changing breeds or wanting new bloodlines those animals could go anywhere, not necessarily to slaughter. The records can be found in the Chicago Stock Yard Archives at the University of Illinois Chicago. The info is in the Chicago Board of Trade annual reports. Those records do break down how many animals arrived each year by railroad and how many were shipped out by railroad. Since I was only interested in ATSF, those are the only records I have. Being a western railroad, most ATSF cars left the stock yards empty. For instance, in 1943, ATSF brought in 10 cars of horses, 2426 cars of cattle, 4160 cars of calves, 141 cars of hogs, 1138 cars of sheep, for a total of 7875 cars. They only shipped out 34 cars, primarily cattle. Santa Fe was a much larger patron of the Kansas City Stock Yards than Chicago. In 1945 the ATSF sent 26,076 car loads to KC and took away 6413 loads from the yards to other places.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Patrik
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 3:03 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
Thank you Guy Wilber. I should have known that the numbers of livestock would vary by the weights of the animals. Very enlightening.
I recently read a fascinating book, Slaughterhouse: Chicago's Union Stock Yards and the World It Made, by Dominic Pacyga. In the 1920's, Union Stock Yards was unloading and selling on average around 50,000 head of livestock a day, a large percentage of which were reloaded into their cars and then shipped to packing houses mainly in the East. Since I like modeling stock cars, I was wondering how many cars would be traversing my Fort Wayne Division a day, I would guess in stock/produce hotshots. So your capacity numbers give me some understanding of how many cars might be moving East. Thank you.
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 1:20 PM Guy Wilber via groups.io <guycwilber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Steve SANDIFER
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CATTLE • AVGE. WEIGHT PER HEAD 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 Size Car UV—No. Head 60 50 42 36 33 30 27 25 23 22 21 19 Size Car 40'—No. Head 56 46 40 37 33 30 27 35 23 22 21 HOGS AVGE WEIGHT PER HEAD 100 133 150 175 200 22.5 250 275 300 325 350 400 Size Car 30'—No. Head* 130 116 100 Su 79 73 68 62 60 57 54 49 Size Car 40'—No. Head• 145 127 110 9S 88 81 76 69 66 64 60 54 *Single deck cars. ha HORSES AVGE. WEIGHT PER HEAD 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500 1600 1700 1800 Size Car 361—No„ Head 29 27 25 24 23 23 21 19 13 18 17 17 Size Car 40'—No. Head 32 30 28 27 26 24 23 21 20 19 19 18 SHEEP OR LAMBS 1.6 AVGE. WEIGHT PER HEAD 50 75 100 125 150 180 Single Deck 36'—No. Head 150 125 105 95 85 75 Single Deck 40'—No. Head 165 138 116 105 94 82 Double Deck 36'--No. Head 0 4 • 300 250 210 190 170 150 Double Deck 40'—No. Head 330 276 236 210 188 164 In loading proper animals in double deck cars, the number loaded on the upper deck should be eight to ten (8 to 10) head less than on the lower deck. J. Stephen Sandifer -----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Patrik Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 12:01 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity Can anyone tell me steam era approximate average standard 40' stock car loadings (animals per car) for: single deck - cattle; double deck - sheep or hogs? -- Gary Patrik |
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Philip Dove
Airfix did a set of farm animals that were advertised as 00 HO they were good but you got pigs, sheep, cows, carthorses, hens, feed troughs...... Haven't seen this set for decades. Good models though. Preiser do beautiful models of pigs, inH0 but they are expensive. The set l treated myself to had an exquisite model of a sow suckling her piglets. Not what you need in a stockyard waiting to be loaded. |
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Todd Sullivan
philip,
Con Cor's recent PCC car has some interesting mirror effects, similar to what you describe. If you can find that model to examine first hand, let me know, and I'll send you some photos of mine. Todd Sullivan |
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Nelson Moyer
Thanks, Steve. They had two packs left, and I ordered both, but fifty cents a hog is too costly to fill pens in seven towns. I’m still looking for cheaper hogs in bulk.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 7:16 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
20 for $10 unpainted. I bet they are 3-d printed and if you contact the seller can get a bigger break on more. https://www.ebay.com/itm/354006435047?hash=item526c6d84e7:g:GaQAAOSwtQliEcRh
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay.
Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting.
Bruce Hendrick Brea, California On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:
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Nelson Moyer
I did, and the first hit was the Harley-Davidson web site. The currently available hogs aren’t market ready size, standing, or sold in bulk. I was hoping somebody had a bag of hogs meeting my needs for sale.
Nelson Moyer
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:52 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay.
Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting.
Bruce Hendrick Brea, California On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:
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Steve SANDIFER
20 for $10 unpainted. I bet they are 3-d printed and if you contact the seller can get a bigger break on more. https://www.ebay.com/itm/354006435047?hash=item526c6d84e7:g:GaQAAOSwtQliEcRh
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Hendrick
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:52 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay.
Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting.
Bruce Hendrick Brea, California On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:
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Bruce Hendrick
Try searching HO HOGS in addition to PIGS on sources such as Walthers.com and eBay.
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Lifelike sells a pre painted set of six HO hogs. But there are also sets of 10 to 20 pigs/hogs in unpainted resin which are cheaper and should be easy to paint in mass. Also, years ago Airfix (I think) sold sets of unpainted hogs/pigs in a rubbery plastic that might be found. No doubt other offerings can be found with a bit on online searching. Happy hunting. Bruce Hendrick On Sunday, July 31, 2022, 4:36 PM, Drew Bunn <drew.r.bunn@...> wrote:
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Drew Bunn
I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?Shapeways? Thingiverse? Miniprints? __________________________________ Drew Bunn drew.r.bunn@... Cell - (905) 483-0758 On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:33 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
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Nelson Moyer
I’m in dire need of market ready plastic pigs for my stock pens, and I haven’t found a source. Any suggestions on where I can find them?
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of Philip Dove
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 6:01 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] stock car capacity
I got about 30 plastic pigs into my 40 foot single deck stock car. The change in weight was noticeable. I resorted to cutting and pasting pictures of animals then putting them together as a scale 40 foot long herd, printing the same in mirror image and mounting these on a piece of transparent plastic down the middle of the car, in HO scale. It looks good. I also unravelled some straw coloured sewing thread and put a few fibrestraped in the door and an odd bit poking through the slats. I have wondered about mounting only one line of critters on transparent plastic then putting a plastic mirror on the other side so the car might appear empty or full, but this is a theory.
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Philip Dove
I got about 30 plastic pigs into my 40 foot single deck stock car. The change in weight was noticeable. I resorted to cutting and pasting pictures of animals then putting them together as a scale 40 foot long herd, printing the same in mirror image and mounting these on a piece of transparent plastic down the middle of the car, in HO scale. It looks good. I also unravelled some straw coloured sewing thread and put a few fibrestraped in the door and an odd bit poking through the slats. I have wondered about mounting only one line of critters on transparent plastic then putting a plastic mirror on the other side so the car might appear empty or full, but this is a theory. |
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Gary Patrik
Thank you Guy Wilber. I should have known that the numbers of livestock would vary by the weights of the animals. Very enlightening. I recently read a fascinating book, Slaughterhouse: Chicago's Union Stock Yards and the World It Made, by Dominic Pacyga. In the 1920's, Union Stock Yards was unloading and selling on average around 50,000 head of livestock a day, a large percentage of which were reloaded into their cars and then shipped to packing houses mainly in the East. Since I like modeling stock cars, I was wondering how many cars would be traversing my Fort Wayne Division a day, I would guess in stock/produce hotshots. So your capacity numbers give me some understanding of how many cars might be moving East. Thank you.
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... so how many "head" does it take to make an HO scale car "look loaded"?
I've not tried this - but I'm guessing that if you get much over 15-20 in a single car that it will appear "loaded" ... especially if you put more of them near the outside and then just a few inside of those to make it look full. Some guys do their cattle using paper - cut outs of images - that they bend a tab on the bottom. I've also heard of guys who use a single "cattle backdrop" running down the middle of the car that is two-sided (again it is cut out?). - Jim in the PNW |
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Guy Wilber
Gary Patrik wrote:
Can anyone tell me steam era approximate average standard 40' stock car loadings (animals per car) for: single deck - cattle; double deck - sheep or hogs? From the archives: The following covers both 36' and 40' cars. The runs represent; the number of head/ average weight of animals. CATTLE: 36' CAR; 60/300, 50/400, 42/500, 36/600, 33/700, 30/800, 27/900, 25/1000, 23/100, 22/1200, 21/1300, 19/1400 40' CAR; 67/300, 56/400, 46/500, 40/600, 37/700, 33/800, 30/900, 27/1000, 25/1100, 23/1200, 22/1300, 21/1400 HOGS: 36' CAR; 130/100, 115/125, 100/150, 89/175, 79/200, 73/225, 68/250, 62/275, 60/300, 57/325, 54/350, 48/400 40' CAR; 145/100, 127/125, 110/150, 98/175, 88/200, 81/225, 76/250, 69/275, 66/300, 64/325, 60/350, 54/400 (For DD cars; the number loaded on upper deck should be 8 to 10 head less than number loaded on lower deck) SHEEP: SD 36' CAR; 150/50, 125/75, 105/100, 95/125, 85/150, 75/180 DD 36' CAR; 300/50, 250/75, 210/100, 190/125, 170/150, 150/180 SD 40' CAR; 165/50, 138/75, 116/100, 105/125, 94/150, 82/180 DD 40' CAR; 330/50, 276/75. 236/100, 210/125, 188/150, 164/180 (For DD cars; the number loaded on upper deck should be 8 to 10 head less than number loaded on lower deck) Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada |
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