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1 - 20 of 25
Pulpwood, Wood Chips: Uses other than Paper?
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Hudson Leighton
Another use is the use of sawdust as bedding for cows.
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Hudson Leighton
This is a current industry but the idea may go back far enough.
We have a local industry that is a dealer in commercial landscaping supplies. They get in carloads of wood mulch and trans-load it to trucks for their customers. -Hudson |
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Earl Tuson
A few comments and additions:
Rayon was not JUST made from wood cellulose. After the Suncook Mills (Suncook, NH,) shut down their cotton mill during the depression, Textron moved in, producing rayon and rayon fabric from cotton waste: fibers of too low quality to be used for cotton spinning. Now, Suncook was also home to what would eventually be the New England Wood Flour Co, before it burned to the ground: http://suncookvalleyrailroad.redmansefarm.com/PawtuckawayBox.htm Wood flour was made from wood manufacturing waste (chips, edgings, whatever,) and used a a filler in products such as Bakelite. Presumably, this outfit may have gotten feedstock from the local furniture factory. Another nearby rail customer, Bailey's box shop, also produced wood waste (but as a competitor to some of the owner's of the wood flour company, I'm not sure if their sawdust went there.) By 1952, what they didn't burn, they shipped out, including box car loads of sawdust to an outfit in Stockport, NY. I can't remember exactly what was made from it, but I dimly recall toilet seats, kitchen counters, or something along those lines. Earl Tuson |
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Eric Hansmann
The rayon plant is a large feature on Jim Brewer’s HO scale N&W Shenandoah layout. It was featured in Model Railroad Planning but I can’t recall the year.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN On Aug 3, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Didn't someone create a model of one of these plants? -- I don't remember if it was MM or RMJ or MR or another magazine, but I do remember it was a printed article. Maybe 20 years ago? Paper and lumber mills can be gigantic. And another use for "pulpwood" was wooden matches. The Diamond Matches mill up in northern MN took in dozens of cars every day and shipped them out in 40 foot box cars. On 8/3/2022 7:53 PM, Craig Zeni wrote: And in Scott's 1959 rayon and viscose fiber plants were still in production - Celanese at Narrows, VA and North American Rayon at Elizabethton TN were still active. I think Dupont in Waynesboro VA was also a rayon plant. Rayon and viscose fiber production needs two things in quantity - water and cellulose. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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And in Scott's 1959 rayon and viscose fiber plants were still in production - Celanese at Narrows, VA and North American Rayon at Elizabethton TN were still active. I think Dupont in Waynesboro VA was also a rayon plant. Rayon and viscose fiber production needs two things in quantity - water and cellulose.
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Until the late 1950's "wood chips" were called "hog fuel" and would be burned as fuel in furnaces although many sawmills simply burned them outright ! ( Those giant cone shaped burners. ) The Southern Pacific had a sizable fleet of "hog fuel" cars rebuilt from de-roofed box cars. Hog fuel wasn't necessarily chips, either -- it could be chunks of discarded wood and shredded bark. Tim O'Connor On 8/3/2022 3:48 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote: Folks, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Also, the ground all over the place was covered ankle deep in wood chips. On 8/3/2022 7:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote: Scott --
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Scott
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In Wyoming I observed a loading track for woodchips at a sawmill. There was an overhead bin, and the car was tied off between two winches on the ground, and they moved it slowly back and forth under the bin. The bin was fed by an overhead pipe on lightweight 'trestle' legs that went back to the sawmill, which was hundreds of feet away ! Saratoga comes to mind as the name of the place, in southern Wyoming west of Laramie. It required no supervision once it was set up -- It probably took a few hours to load each car, and they'd come out and reset it with another empty. Diamond Scale, I believe, made a kit for such an overhead bin. :-)
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Drew Bunn
I think it'll still work for your needs, Scott.
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__________________________________ Drew Bunn drew.r.bunn@... Cell - (905) 483-0758 On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 6:46 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
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Scott,
Most pulp mills had a small storage area for cars - maybe 15 to 20 - so you could model that yard and put the entire mill "on the backdrop" ... perhaps even do some selective compression of the size of the yard (number of tracks wide and/or length of the tracks). I've seen brass pulpwood cars selling on eBay for very little money - a bit on the slim side in terms of details but nonetheless serviceable - especially after adding a few small details and weathering them. Pulpwood hauls were short - usually less than a hundred miles and often less than 50 ... so it fits in with your "no longer model a main line" ... - Jim in the PNW |
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Scott H. Haycock
My mistake, Drew. I googled Knight Hardwood Flooring' before I saw your Attachment. They have several locations in HC.
Scott Haycock
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Richard Wilkens
Rayon fabric is made from wood pulp. That's why in Washington state we had the logging company Rayonier. They also used the tree for making lumber and other purposes.
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Scott H. Haycock
And they're in North Carolina! I'll research them. Thanks!
Scott Haycock
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Scott H. Haycock
In my case, this industry has to be in the isle of a near-eye level layout, so all I could include is a dock and a loader. But what a great place to display model freight cars for close-up viewing!
Scott Haycock
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Drew Bunn
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 5:53 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:One of the industries on my future layout is Knight Flooring. Manufacturer of hardwood flooring for over 100 years, they had two seperate spurs that could be modelled with building flats using DPM or Walthers kits. Pulpwood loads could be delivered to a team track for use by the local smokehouse for curing any number of foods.. __________________________________ Drew Bunn drew.r.bunn@... Cell - (905) 483-0758 
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On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 05:53 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Building flats are great for this. Also, there are several companies that make scenic backgrounds that include industries. You might even be able to combine the two. A furniture factory is perfect for your location and era. You could even simulate a paper mill by modeling just a small yard to serve the mill. You can even put this at the front of the layout (assuming space) and give the impression that the mill is 'in the aisle". If that doesn't work, then scenic backgrounds and/or flats could help create the illusion of the mill -- Bill Parks Cumming, GA Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida |
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Scott H. Haycock
Hi Jeff,
I've thought about a chip loader, but it seems to me that a sawmill would need more rail service than just a chip loader. For instance lumber loading.
I would also think that a furniture factory large enough to generate carloads of waste would also need more service.
But that may be the way to go...
A spur with a loading dock for a couple of double door furniture box cars with a loader at the end! I don't have room for the factory itself.
Incidentally, if it matters, I model central North Carolina in 1959.
I appreciate the input!
Scott Haycock
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Jeff Helm
Scott,
What about only modeling the woodchip loader on your layout? These often were away from the main lumber mill buildings with a pneumatic conveying pipe to the loader. The mill could be “off stage” with just the pipe coming through the trees, as I have seen in The NW, at least. It is possible that a large furniture maker might also have a woodchip loader for waste sawdust. -- Cheers Jeff Helm |
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Scott H. Haycock
That would work for pulpwood racks, but what about woodchip hoppers? I've got a photo of a beautiful(?) three bay hopper with wood extensions I'm dying to build, but these cars were loaded at sawmills- another industry too big for my railroad.
Scott Haycock
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