#### Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

O Fenton Wells

Frank is a single person business (Actually that's not true I met the head of the shipping and billing department at Collinsville RPM meet) and I would rather have him working on other things than the tank car dome,
Just say'in ;>)
Fenton

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:26 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

O Fenton Wells  wrote:

"for the amount of work that would have to be done."

That was sort of my point. We make compromises in scale dimensions in other freight car details; mainly because the correct components aren't available, or can't be economically made, to scale.

But I admit that in this case, over 1/16'' would be visible. Sans the correct part though, I'd probably live with it, versus scratchbuilding a new dome.

Scott Haycock

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Nelson Moyer

Decimal place matters. The rounded off number was good if that’s any consolation.

Nelson Moyer

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 12:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

Getting old-should have used a calculator!

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 08/08/2022 11:44 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

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According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter?

Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Scott H. Haycock

O Fenton Wells  wrote:

"for the amount of work that would have to be done."

That was sort of my point. We make compromises in scale dimensions in other freight car details; mainly because the correct components aren't available, or can't be economically made, to scale.

But I admit that in this case, over 1/16'' would be visible. Sans the correct part though, I'd probably live with it, versus scratchbuilding a new dome.

Scott Haycock

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek

But it is the proportions that matter, as well as the absolute measurement.

Jim van Gaasbeek

Irvine, CA

O Fenton Wells

I don't disagree with Scott, for the amount of work that would have to be done.
Fenton

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 1:49 PM Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:
Getting old-should have used a calculator!

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2022 11:44 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
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According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter?
Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Bruce Smith

Oh those pesky decimal places!! 😉  A handy rule of thumb is that one real inch is approximately 0.01” in HO (it is actually 0.01148”).

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

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According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter?

Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Scott H. Haycock

Getting old-should have used a calculator!

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2022 11:44 AM Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
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According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter?
Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
<!doctype html>
According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter?
Math is wrong. It's 0.069", more than 1/16".

Scott H. Haycock

According to my math, the difference between a 48'' diameter dome and one that is 54'' is .oo7''. Is this enough to visually matter?

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On 08/08/2022 8:18 AM Frank Hodina <fhodina@...> wrote:

The differences between the 6500 and 8000 gallon X-3's are the capacity, the length and dome size. The 6.5k has a 48" dome while the 8K is 54". The issue with the old Sunshine 6.5K car was that the dome was too large. The pattern was done though before plans were available.

Frank Hodina
Resin Car Works

O Fenton Wells

Thanks, I understand.
Fenton

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 1:03 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Frank I too would love to have the correct size done if they become available
Fenton

On Aug 8, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

﻿On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 08:25 AM, Ken Roth wrote:

Frank,
Any chance you would be able to supply castings of the correct size dome for the 6.5k car to those of us you still have unbuilt Sunshine 6.5k kits?  Never hurts to ask I guess.

It's not that simple. The Sunshine tank pattern was a shortened InterMountain 8K tank shell but the recess where the dome sits was unchanged. Attached is a photo of Franks 6.5K pattern (ignore the dust - I just grabbed it off the shelf) and he filled in the recess, made a new dome & riveted saddle, and the upper shell is a one piece casting. No separate dome like the Sunshine kit. Of the four Sunshine X-3 versions (10K, long 8K, stubby 8K, 6.5K), the 6.5K was the biggest seller. And it still seems to fetch the highest prices on the secondary market.

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

O Fenton Wells

Frank I too would love to have the correct size done if they become available
Fenton

On Aug 8, 2022, at 11:15 AM, Tom Madden via groups.io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

﻿On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 08:25 AM, Ken Roth wrote:

Frank,
Any chance you would be able to supply castings of the correct size dome for the 6.5k car to those of us you still have unbuilt Sunshine 6.5k kits?  Never hurts to ask I guess.

It's not that simple. The Sunshine tank pattern was a shortened InterMountain 8K tank shell but the recess where the dome sits was unchanged. Attached is a photo of Franks 6.5K pattern (ignore the dust - I just grabbed it off the shelf) and he filled in the recess, made a new dome & riveted saddle, and the upper shell is a one piece casting. No separate dome like the Sunshine kit. Of the four Sunshine X-3 versions (10K, long 8K, stubby 8K, 6.5K), the 6.5K was the biggest seller. And it still seems to fetch the highest prices on the secondary market.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 08:25 AM, Ken Roth wrote:

Frank,
Any chance you would be able to supply castings of the correct size dome for the 6.5k car to those of us you still have unbuilt Sunshine 6.5k kits?  Never hurts to ask I guess.

It's not that simple. The Sunshine tank pattern was a shortened InterMountain 8K tank shell but the recess where the dome sits was unchanged. Attached is a photo of Franks 6.5K pattern (ignore the dust - I just grabbed it off the shelf) and he filled in the recess, made a new dome & riveted saddle, and the upper shell is a one piece casting. No separate dome like the Sunshine kit. Of the four Sunshine X-3 versions (10K, long 8K, stubby 8K, 6.5K), the 6.5K was the biggest seller. And it still seems to fetch the highest prices on the secondary market.

Ken Roth

Frank,
Any chance you would be able to supply castings of the correct size dome for the 6.5k car to those of us you still have unbuilt Sunshine 6.5k kits?  Never hurts to ask I guess.

Ken Roth

Frank Hodina

The differences between the 6500 and 8000 gallon X-3's are the capacity, the length and dome size. The 6.5k has a 48" dome while the 8K is 54". The issue with the old Sunshine 6.5K car was that the dome was too large. The pattern was done though before plans were available.

Frank Hodina
Resin Car Works

Eric Hansmann

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

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Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 12:29 AM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sunshine long 8k dome is too small?

The new RCW 8k X-3 kit seems to have the same description as the 6.5k X-3 kit; one of the issues with the Sunshine 6.5k tank was the the dome was too small.
Was the Sunshine 8k dome too small as well?

-Phil Lee

nyc3001 .

The new RCW 8k X-3 kit seems to have the same description as the 6.5k X-3 kit; one of the issues with the Sunshine 6.5k tank was the the dome was too small.
Was the Sunshine 8k dome too small as well?

-Phil Lee

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