BR&P Boxcar End
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Bob Weston
Anyone have information on this style of end shown on this BR&P boxcar? Thanks! Bob Weston
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Eric Hansmann
I suspect these pressed metal parts are part of the technological progress after the end truss rods that held the cars together. Ray Breyer authored a review of these truss rod end cars. The PDF can be downloaded from the Freight Car Fleets resource page on my blog.
From the truss rod ends, steel straps were the next step before the pressed steel. The attached view of Big Four 47705 illustrates this installation.
I’ve been checking my archives for additional cars with the pressed steel end braces. These were very common on gondolas in the 1905-1915 years. I thought I saw them on D&LW and NYC box cars, but I don’t see these in my photo archive. I did find a partial view of a P&R/Reading XMp class box car with pressed steel end braces. It’s attached. Funaro & Camerlengo produced this prototype as a resin kit.
There were also cars with vertical pressed steel posts on the car ends. Some LV and B&O prototypes come to mind. Corrugated steel ends came into use and were widely implemented. Steel plate with internal vertical reinforcement was another step in progress.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Anyone have information on this style of end shown on this BR&P boxcar? Thanks! Bob Weston 
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That’s an interesting brake step as well.
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Interesting to try to spot those cars; I’m not able to add to your list. Rob On Aug 9, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote: I suspect these pressed metal parts are part of the technological progress after the end truss rods that held the cars together. Ray Breyer authored a review of these truss rod end cars. The PDF can be downloaded from the Freight Car Fleets resource page on my blog. http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/freight-car-fleets/ From the truss rod ends, steel straps were the next step before the pressed steel. The attached view of Big Four 47705 illustrates this installation. I’ve been checking my archives for additional cars with the pressed steel end braces. These were very common on gondolas in the 1905-1915 years. I thought I saw them on D&LW and NYC box cars, but I don’t see these in my photo archive. I did find a partial view of a P&R/Reading XMp class box car with pressed steel end braces. It’s attached. Funaro & Camerlengo produced this prototype as a resin kit. There were also cars with vertical pressed steel posts on the car ends. Some LV and B&O prototypes come to mind. Corrugated steel ends came into use and were widely implemented. Steel plate with internal vertical reinforcement was another step in progress. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Weston via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 12:52 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] BR&P Boxcar End Anyone have information on this style of end shown on this BR&P boxcar? Thanks! Bob Weston<image001.jpg> |
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Ray Breyer
There weren't a whole lot of these types of strap ends made, Eric. And the few hundred that were made were generally isolated on deep south roads like the attached. By the time someone had a bright idea about hat section strap ends, the industry was already building cars with all steel ends in the tens of thousands. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 02:46:35 PM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I suspect these pressed metal parts are part of the technological progress after the end truss rods that held the cars together. Ray Breyer authored a review of these truss rod end cars. The PDF can be downloaded from the Freight Car Fleets resource page on my blog.
From the truss rod ends, steel straps were the next step before the pressed steel. The attached view of Big Four 47705 illustrates this installation.
I’ve been checking my archives for additional cars with the pressed steel end braces. These were very common on gondolas in the 1905-1915 years. I thought I saw them on D&LW and NYC box cars, but I don’t see these in my photo archive. I did find a partial view of a P&R/Reading XMp class box car with pressed steel end braces. It’s attached. Funaro & Camerlengo produced this prototype as a resin kit.
There were also cars with vertical pressed steel posts on the car ends. Some LV and B&O prototypes come to mind. Corrugated steel ends came into use and were widely implemented. Steel plate with internal vertical reinforcement was another step in progress.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Weston via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 12:52 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] BR&P Boxcar End
Anyone have information on this style of end shown on this BR&P boxcar? Thanks! Bob Weston 
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lrkdbn
There was a great deal of work done to reinforce the more modern all wood cars in the WWI period, because of the rapid increase in train weights and consequent train dynamics; the cars were too new to just write off as obsolete. Many different shops and companies worked on this sort of thing -some were marketed commercially and other just stayed within the company as homegrown practices.
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Ray Breyer
Except that in general, these hat section rib ends were added to brand NEW cars, not rebuilds. While some roads like the NYC began massive car rebuilding programs as early as 1911, the real push to rebuild happened immediately after USRA control ended, and lasted up to the Depression. These braces were introduced just before WWI. These types of end braces were an attempt by dirt-cheap railroads to try to avoid the added costs of steel ends, or even steel crash posts. They were the descendants of trussrod ends, and worked about as well. Note that NO first tier carriers ever mucked around with them (the Southern inherited theirs from absorbed railroads). Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 05:43:31 PM CDT, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:
There was a great deal of work done to reinforce the more modern all wood cars in the WWI period, because of the rapid increase in train weights and consequent train dynamics; the cars were too new to just write off as obsolete. Many different shops and companies worked on this sort of thing -some were marketed commercially and other just stayed within the company as homegrown practices. Larry King |
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