History of the Forklift


Ken Adams
 

They're older than you might think.

https://packagingrevolution.net/history-of-the-fork-truck/
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Ray Breyer
 

Careful with this: the combination of forklifts AND pallets is a post-1930 "thing", meaning that pre-Depression modelers shouldn't really have either.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 06:04:24 PM CDT, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:


They're older than you might think.

https://packagingrevolution.net/history-of-the-fork-truck/
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Todd Sullivan
 

Ahem, when I worked at railcar builder Alstom, I was corrected to always call them 'fork trucks', not 'forklifts'.

Todd Sullivan
ex-shop floor inspector and logistics person for Alstom Transportation, Hornell, NY


Jack Mullen
 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 04:31 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
I was corrected to always call them 'fork trucks', not 'forklifts'.
Fork truck, fork lift truck, forklift, lift truck - all are commonly used terms for pretty much the same thing. If Alstom had safety rules referring to "fork trucks", that might be a good reason to insist that that term be used. Otherwise it seems pretty much tomato/tomahto.
FWIW, OSHA refers to "powered industrial trucks", a more generic term, but the required training-certification seems to be universally known as "forklift certification" in industry.

Jack Mullen, who operated them before certification was a thing.


A&Y Dave in MD
 

Exactly. One could argue there have been computers since the 19th century, but they weren’t visible in society until after WWII and not commonly visible until 1970s or 1980s.

1000 industrial lift trucks of all types in 1926 across the hundreds of thousands of stations/depots according to the naval history paper in the link. Less than 1 in a hundred railroad depots IF they were randomly distributed. The military or merchant marine might have them at docks and forts. They would also be located

The Great Depression would slow down adoption due to less capital and so many laborers available looking for work. Those who like unique items might model them but I would expect them to be regularly visible during or after WWII.

Dave
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Bill Parks
 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 08:55 AM, A&Y Dave in MD wrote:
I would expect them to be regularly visible during or after WWII
I would say instead that "they became more visible during or after WWII".  

What would need to be looked at (and is beyond the scope of this group - more appropriate for the Ry-Ops-IndustrialSIG group) would be when did specific industries shift to using pallets.  I doubt it was an overnight event that impacted every industry, instead was probably spread over the decade (and maybe even into the 60s).  As one of the other articles related to the link in the OP states, pallets were originally used more for internal shipments, as shippers weren't always aware if the consignees could handle pallets, and also the desire of getting the pallets sipped back to them for reuse.

As an example, fresh produce was still being shipped in ice bunker reefers, which generally had 4 1/2 foot wide doors, and were loaded/unloaded manually with hand carts. So a forklift a packing house would be out of place.

However, frozen foods, which took off during the 50s was shipped in mechanical reefers with wider doors (and some ice bunker reefers built with heavier insulation and wider sliding plug doors) was shipped using pallets (same can be said of canned and other preprocessed foods that would use bunkerless reefers or insulated boxcars).

As an aside, the other thing that happened during this period was the shift away from crates to cardboard boxes as the primary way of packing goods.
 
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Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 07:55 AM, A&Y Dave in MD wrote:
1000 industrial lift trucks of all types in 1926 across the hundreds of thousands of stations/depots according to the naval history paper in the link. Less than 1 in a hundred railroad depots IF they were randomly distributed. The military or merchant marine might have them at docks and forts.
Got to be careful with the terminology. If that figure included "powered industrial trucks" of all types, it also includes the tractors designed to tow trains of carts as used by the post office and express companies. One common brand of fork lift trucks during the fifties was Tow Motor, which should give some hint as to the origins of the product line.

Dennis Storzek


Tony Thompson
 

I have read that the real enlargement of palletizing freight was in World War II, where it turned out to be a great way to prepare overseas military cargo, and after the war became far more widely adopted. But I’m no expert on this topic.

Tony Thompson
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Andy Miller
 

As far as I know, the fork lift was one of the great developments of WWII.   After the war it was considered THE way to load and unload boxcars.  Refers could use it also but had a serious problem.  With the exception of SFRD, all reefers had 4 foot, hinged leaf, doors. The sliding doors of boxcars would not seal the car for insulation!  (SFRDs door were 5’)  Very few fork lifts would fit through a 4’ (or 5’)door.   The doors could not be made wider because reefers (and box cars) were frequently loaded on parallel tracks, the outer cars being accesses by going through the inner cars.  This worked well with the sliding doors of box cars, but meant that reefers hinged doors could be no more that 2.5 feet wide if they were to be opened when parked next to cars on the adjacent tracks.  The solution was the plug door reefer!  And after WWII the plug door, iced, reefer became more and more common.  Unfortunately, for the longest time, they had been almost non-existent in HO.  I had kitbashed several for my fleet, thus (as always) inspiring a manufacturer, Accurail, to finally make one.

 

Regards,

Andy  Miller

 

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Careful with this: the combination of forklifts AND pallets is a post-1930 "thing", meaning that pre-Depression modelers shouldn't really have either.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 06:04:24 PM CDT, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

 

 

They're older than you might think.

https://packagingrevolution.net/history-of-the-fork-truck/
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Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
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Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io


Ken Adams
 

Actually if you look at the following article on pallets in Packaging Revolution website, it details the change to pallets for military supplies during WW 2 as the impetus for industry to adopt this method of shipping. Also during WW 2 and after there was a shortage of civilian labor, particularly low cost labor,  to manually load and unload box cars and refrigerator cars (house cars) which drove a lot of changes in materials handling. I the depression era unskilled manual labor was cheap and very plentiful. But by the late 1930's labor costs were rising as the US began to emerge from the depression. 

On a modeling note I have a pair of Accurail plug door reefers awaiting modification to early 1950's PFE R-40-26's following Jason Hill's blogs on his conversions.  But they will be for static depictions of overhead traffic on my tiny layout with no customers who load or unload reefers. 
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Eric Hansmann
 

On 08/28/2022 11:15 AM CDT Dennis Storzek wrote:
Got to be careful with the terminology. If that figure included "powered industrial trucks" of all types, it also includes the tractors designed to tow trains of carts as used by the post office and express companies. One common brand of fork lift trucks during the fifties was Tow Motor, which should give some hint as to the origins of the product line.
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These tractors are noted in John A. Droege's "Freight Terminals & Trains" was first published in 1912 and again in 1925. Chapter Twelve, the Mechanical Handling of Merchandise Freight, includes references to electric freight trucks used within large freight terminals. I've frequently consulted this book for freight operations details.

The NMRA reprinted the 1925 edition in 1998. New copies are available through the NMRA Store. A number of used versions are available through booksellers.

The 1912 edition is available to read and/or download through Open Library. Chapter Twelve starts on page 327.
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL6546206M/Freight_terminals_and_trains
 
I did not see a specific reference to fork lift trucks.
 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN