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On Sep 18, 2022, at 8:58 PM, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:
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Some images of car details of the Alton 17,000 series. Pantagraph Digital Archives from 1946. Good siding, trucks, stirrup and stencil detials
https://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/1707/rec/12 https://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/1702/rec/11 https://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/1727/rec/181 https://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll63/id/1578/rec/5 -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL |
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Boy, Ray thanks so much for the Info. I noticed in one of Ted Cullottas books on the double sheathed the SP, UP and the C&A were mentioned as Harriman roads show similar boxcars but not with the radial roof. Would I be close, starting with the Westerfield version and changing the ends and roof? Seems that way. No AB breaks however I see. Fenton
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On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 06:55:33 PM CDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:
Fenton, Looking at the Library of Congress copy of the photo, it kinda looks to me like the ends were 3/3 ends with a wide part at the bottom of the bottom panel. I'm not sure I can figure out the handbrake or the door type, so another photo is needed. Todd Sullivan |
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The cars were retired by the 1954 K brake ban. None were ever repainted to GM&O, and none ever got Youngstown doors (remember: the Alton was a POOR railroad, and kept things basic) Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 05:25:02 PM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks Ray, so these, as rebuilds were wood with radial roofs and dreadnaught ends? And if I could find a photo of a GM&O 17XXX series car that would work? I want to bash one but need more info. Were the doors wood or Youngstown? And any idea of the type of ends? 3/3/3 or 4/5? Thank you Fenton On Sep 17, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:
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Remember that the ORERs are a GUIDE, and not always the best one, since it relied on railroads self-reporting. In the case of the C&As 17000s, they actually LOST a quarter inch between 1915 and 1950. Judging by the photos I have of them, they were never raised height cars. And their diagram book pages are cartoons, barely meeting MCBA requirements. While the 1927 drawing says Murphy ends, we have a photos refuting that. (and the archbars were replaced by 940; this was the Alton's largest, and thus most important, boxcar group, and they needed to be out on the road making money). Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 05:16:52 PM CDT, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
Ray, does that suggest using Westerfield sides with new ends and a roof ought to work or do we know the height was increased? Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock On Sep 17, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:
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Fenton,
Looking at the Library of Congress copy of the photo, it kinda looks to me like the ends were 3/3 ends with a wide part at the bottom of the bottom panel. I'm not sure I can figure out the handbrake or the door type, so another photo is needed. Todd Sullivan |
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Thanks Ray, so these, as rebuilds were wood with radial roofs and dreadnaught ends? And if I could find a photo of a GM&O 17XXX series car that would work?
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I want to bash one but need more info. Were the doors wood or Youngstown? And any idea of the type of ends? 3/3/3 or 4/5? Thank you Fenton On Sep 17, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:
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Ray, does that suggest using Westerfield sides with new ends and a roof ought to work or do we know the height was increased?
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Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock On Sep 17, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Ray Breyer via groups.io <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:
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These are NOT steel cars. Download the high-res image from the Library of Congress, and pay close attention to the sides: the horizontal end to body supports are a clear indication that these are double sheathed cars (as well as the fact that you can see the sheathing). The Alton/C&A only ever had ONE group of cars in the 17000-series: the B-50-whatever lookalikes. They got rebuilt in the 1920s with new roofs and steels ends. As 1920s rebuilding programs are HORRIBLY recorded, i'm not surprised at all that this car has "deviant from standard" squashed Dreadnaught ends and a radial roof (and has its roof painted in a fairly shiny coat of asphaltum that's been covered in soot) Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 11:33:29 AM CDT, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
I'm looking for photos and info on Alton Railroad boxcars in the 17000-17998 series for a kitbash. These were steel with radial roofs and that's about all I know. Charlie Duckworth posted a photo and I want to kitnbash one so any help is appreciated. When they were folded into the GM&O RR did they keep their numbers or were they renumbered if so a GM&O photo would work as well. Thanks in advance for any help. You may contact me off line at srrfAN1401@... if desired. Attached is the picture from Charlie Duckworth and it is the only photo I have. Fenton |
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I'm looking for photos and info on Alton Railroad boxcars in the 17000-17998 series for a kitbash. These were steel with radial roofs and that's about all I know. Charlie Duckworth posted a photo and I want to kitnbash one so any help is appreciated. When they were folded into the GM&O RR did they keep their numbers or were they renumbered if so a GM&O photo would work as well.
Thanks in advance for any help. You may contact me off line at srrfAN1401@... if desired. Attached is the picture from Charlie Duckworth and it is the only photo I have. Fenton |
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