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An example of the box car you cite. However, lines were applied later than January - check out the gondola. On 10/19/2022 12:29 PM, John Riddell wrote: Tony, --
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August 1962, according to the MS Color Guide On 10/19/2022 2:18 PM, Brian Carlson via groups.io wrote: The CP script didn’t start until the 60’s. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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The CP script didn’t start until the 60’s.
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I agree I’ve seen lines on CP cars repainted into the mid 50’s. I got the early cars with lines and a 1953 Winnipeg reweigh date just to be safe myself. Brian J. Carlson On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:08 PM, John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:
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Tony Thompson
Since CPR stopping having new cars delivered lettered with lines in 1954 it seems likely CP instructed its car shops to stop repainting cars with the lines at the same time in 1954. (This is approximately the date when CP introduced the script lettering on box cars.)Thanks, John, excellent again. Tony |
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John Riddell
Tony,
Since CPR stopping having new cars delivered lettered with lines in 1954 it seems likely CP instructed its car shops to stop repainting cars with the lines at the same time in 1954. (This is approximately the date when CP introduced the script lettering on box cars.) Of course, with some 87,000 freight cars it took the CPR many years to have most of its cars repainted without the lines. CPR cars with the lines could be seen for decades after 1954. The Rapido model without lines would be appropriate for a car in service from 1954 to mid 1970s. The Rapido model with lines would be appropriate for a car in service from 1921 until mid 1970s. John Riddell |
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Tony Thompson
John Riddell wrote:Thanks, John, that is probably exactly what I need. But do you know about repainting? That is, when did shops stop using lines? Could be the same time, or . . . Tony Thompson tony@... |
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John Riddell
Tony,
Builder's photos show new CPR boxcars were delivered with the lines as late as Jan 1953. It seems that the lines were not applied starting in 1954 based on the accurate lettering produced by CDS. John Riddell |
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Thanks Tim - that helps pin the date down a little more tightly. I’ve passed it along.
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Rob On Oct 15, 2022, at 10:14 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: Built November 1950 On 10/14/2022 6:44 PM, Tony Thompson wrote: Robert Kirkham wrote:Off line, I asked a fellow who would know more on this because of his role with the CPHA documents library; his answer is that the date is uncertain at present. What he can say is that the Spans the World lettering (late 40s) includes the lines. The earliest stencil drawing without them he has seen is from 1951. So, it is approximately 1950.Thanks, Rob, just what I needed. Tony Thompson -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts <cp_257553 40ft_SD_box AAR shopdate 11-50 brand-new-paint VancouverBC 12-1950.jpg> |
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Built November 1950 On 10/14/2022 6:44 PM, Tony Thompson wrote: Robert Kirkham wrote:Off line, I asked a fellow who would know more on this because of his role with the CPHA documents library; his answer is that the date is uncertain at present. What he can say is that the Spans the World lettering (late 40s) includes the lines. The earliest stencil drawing without them he has seen is from 1951. So, it is approximately 1950.Thanks, Rob, just what I needed. Tony Thompson --
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Eric Hansmann
Yes. I’m at the Mid-Atlantic RPM and away from my archive. I’ve got an image of an ad featuring this roof on an M-15 class car. The seam caps do not extend to the edge of the roof.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN On Oct 13, 2022, at 4:26 PM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
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Tony Thompson
Robert Kirkham wrote:
Thanks, Rob, just what I needed. Tony Thompson |
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Off line, I asked a fellow who would know more on this because of his role with the CPHA documents library; his answer is that the date is uncertain at present. What he can say is that the Spans the World lettering (late 40s) includes the lines. The earliest stencil drawing without them he has seen is from 1951. So, it is approximately 1950.
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Rob On Oct 13, 2022, at 6:28 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Relevant to the Canadian Pacific version of these cars, when did CP stop putting lines above the initials and below the number? Tony Thompson tony@... |
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Tony Thompson
Relevant to the Canadian Pacific version of these cars, when did CP stop putting lines above the initials and below the number?
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Chris,
Attached is a 1933 B&O RR Photo from the Greg Smith Collection of the roof of an M-24 boxcar that was being converted into either an M-24 a or b subclass "cement car" at Mt.Clare. It could be a new roof for this conversion or one that was replaced earlier in its life. This subclass was 287XXX (like the photo on the Rapido Instruction Sheet) and the M-24 were 187XXX. i posted a blog of my efforts to shift the color of the Rapido B&O model. https://bomodeling.com/2022/10/12/bo-m-24-usra-40-boxcar-achieving-a-color-shift-on-a-rapido-model/ As an FYI, the BORRHS is selling a special run of same era M-24 boxcars and has spoken to Rapido about the color and it appears they will send the BORRHS new carbodies with the corrected color in the future. It took a little more work than I was expected but I can live with my model and I think the result of my efforts are fairly accurate for 10 year old boxcar on my layout. Bruce D. Griffin
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Chris,
The Rapido model comes with brake parts for both AB and K brakes. Both my B&O and Milwaukee Road models were equipped with K brakes and the AB parts were in the box. My only roof photos of the M-24 class I have were from conversions to M-24a and b classes (cement cars) taken at Mt. Clare in 1933. They definitely show a different roof as Eric indicates. I think it was the Jan/Feb 2006 B&O Modeler that shows these photos as part of a Greg Smith article on modeling the a and b subclass variants. I will try to dig up copies of the photos and share. I also wrote a short blog post on shifting the color of the B&O colors that I will share when I post. Bruce D. Griffin Ashland, MD
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Thanks for the review John. I haven't ordered any as I have several Westerfield and Tichy models to build. I did order the tank cars however. Hi Chris, --
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Chris Barkan
Eric, so are you saying the car in this photo differs from the roof on the Rapido B&O model? I recall discussing this topic last year when this model was first announced by Rapido.
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golden1014
Hi Chris,
I received my two cars this week--one Milwaukee and one C&NW. - First Impression: Very nice models, good paint color, good lettering, nice weight, very well built, nice detail all around. A welcome addition to the fleet. - Second Impression: I really don't like the spaces between the boards but I understand why the manufacturer did that. The Tichy model is much better rendered. Both my cars came with K brakes (with AB brake parts in a separate baggie--a nice touch). However, I think both K and AB brake renderings are poor, and paint on the underframe is very heavy (obscuring what little detail is on the brake parts). I'm replacing the brakes with Cal Scale. The trucks: No. Replacing with TMW Andrews. Running board is alright but both of mine came a little bent out of shape. Running board detail is poor. Nothing a modeler can't fix. Bottom Line: Good models and I'm happy to have them, and I'll keep them, but a carefully-built Gould/Tichy car with TMW trucks beats this model hands down. John Golden O'Fallon, IL |
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Eric Hansmann
Of the very few images illustrating the roof on B&O M-24 box cars, it seemed like they used another variant of replacement roof. One can be seen in this Dayton Union Station photo from the Barriger Library collection.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN On Oct 13, 2022, at 8:33 AM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
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Chris Barkan
Somehow I missed this thread and started another one related to these cars https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/94241082#195908 but now see that this is where the discussion of these cars is occurring.
I have a few questions for this group, first of all, are people satisfied with their fidelity to the prototype, general quality, and lettering accuracy? Secondly, I recall some discussion about the different roof variations that Rapido was going to do. I think the point of this was that cars from several roads had their roofs replaced, some relatively early in the cars' lives, and so there was a question about the particular paint scheme properly corresponding with the style of roof the car had. Rapido's website https://rapidotrains.com/ho-scale/freight-car/usra-ss-boxcar.html mentions both "Murphy or Hutchins roof as appropriate" and "KC or AB brakes as appropriate" but the descriptions for individual roads' cars don't say which they have. I guess we can see the brake type in the photos, but I am not knowledgeable enough to be able to distinguish the roof types in the model views shown. Which roads had which roof types? Thanks very much for any feedback about these cars, I am looking forward to seeing them myself. -- Chris Barkan Champaign, IL |
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