Pacific Fruit Express - Express Refrigerator Cars
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Charlie Vlk
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My comment was from the perspective of a student of Model Railroad product decisions. That somebody decided it would be a good decision to seemingly randomly flip open a Cyclopedia and tool up a truck to be used on almost all the Lionel product for decades is interesting to me. Allied Full Cushion trucks are more numerous but would have been an equally weird choice if, say, Irv Athearn had decided to equip all his kits with it. In terms of numbers in use and word selection weird may not be the thesaurus choice you would have used but while I’ve seen photos of cars with those trucks I never saw any trackside….many more common types that have not been modeled in any scale, but S-G XL were made in the millions by Lionel???!!!! THAT is weird! Charlie Vlk |
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indeed (albeit they were uncommon trucks) On 10/25/2022 11:48 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Tony Thompson
C’mon, Charlie, join the 20th century. Read the book. They are Symington-Gould XL tracks. Not weird. |
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Jack Mullen
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 10:03 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
I increasingly suspect that we're looking at a film photography artifact (color shift) in that one photo. It happens.Yep. Look at the way the body color is rendered in the two photos. In the original post 3 car photo, the cars look black. In the second, there's a hint of green, but the look is more Pennsy Dark Green Locomotive Enamel than SP Dark Olive Green. So either the paint shop didn't follow the specified color scheme *at all*, or something is off in the color rendition in these photos. It seems to me that deficiency in yellow could cause imitation gold and olive green to shift toward orange and black. Jack Mullen |
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Charlie Vlk
Anybody notice that the PFE express reefer has the Lionel MPC weird trucks!
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Charlie VLK On Oct 25, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Tony Thompson
Richard Wilkens wrote:Bingo. Tony Thompson tony@... |
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Richard Wilkens
Tim is most correct, that particular slide was very dense and required some work to make it presentable. Most images from that roll of film are all on the dark side.
Rich Wilkens Director of Collections, Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive |
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Nice picture !! Those MP & UP cars probably came via St Louis. I remember picking up my grandmother at North Philadelphia in the 1960's and the train had a hodge podge of non-PRR cars in it including UP cars. On 10/24/2022 8:31 AM, Chris Barkan wrote: On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 06:36 PM, Tony Thompson wrote: --
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Steve and all
I increasingly suspect that we're looking at a film photography artifact (color shift) in that one photo. It happens. No other color photo of SP express reefers I've seen make the lettering appear to be orange. On 10/21/2022 7:41 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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There may be no 'correct' answer then, if you don't believe the railroad's own documents. :-) I have a set of SP heavyweight "Dulux Gold" passenger car lettering from Coach Yard that look very orange to me, on the tan paper. For application over Dark Olive paint, which may alter the way they look to one's eye. On 10/21/2022 6:22 PM, Geodyssey wrote: No, Tony just pointed out that there are documents stating that the lettering was Dulux Gold. That's like saying someone has clear title just because the deed has been notarized. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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vapeurchapelon
What a nice photo! And note the splendid condition of that cute PRR electric shunter! It definitely IS accurate to run engines in like-new condition, if only for a couple days :-)
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Von: "Chris Barkan" <cplbarkan@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Pacific Fruit Express - Express Refrigerator Cars On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 06:36 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
To your point Tony, please see the photo of Sunnyside Yard in New York for sale on EBay right now.Chris Barkan wrote:Hi, Chris. These cars, like all of PFE’s express reefers, were assigned to the Railway Express pool, as were the express cars of many railroads (I provided a list in the PFE book). They certainly COULD go everywhere, and no doubt did, but the car owners were responsible for any maintenance beyond minor repairs, so they did tend to operate regionally, or get sent home from distant destinations. https://www.ebay.com/itm/144777344543 Chris -- Chris Barkan Champaign, IL |
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Chris Barkan
Here is the image in case the link doesn't work
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Chris Barkan
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 06:36 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
To your point Tony, please see the photo of Sunnyside Yard in New York for sale on EBay right now.Chris Barkan wrote:Hi, Chris. These cars, like all of PFE’s express reefers, were assigned to the Railway Express pool, as were the express cars of many railroads (I provided a list in the PFE book). They certainly COULD go everywhere, and no doubt did, but the car owners were responsible for any maintenance beyond minor repairs, so they did tend to operate regionally, or get sent home from distant destinations. https://www.ebay.com/itm/144777344543 Chris -- Chris Barkan Champaign, IL |
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I don’t really have a horse in this race, but I wanted to see several versions of PFE express reefers together and discovered this color shot of a wooden car in fresh paint. The gold lettering looks pretty good on this one.
Could the paint shop have been fresh out of Dulux Gold when they needed to letter the repainted steel cars??
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Geodyssey
No, Tony just pointed out that there are documents stating that the lettering was Dulux Gold. That's like saying someone has clear title just because the deed has been notarized. |
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No, Tony just pointed out that there are documents stating that the lettering was Dulux Gold. That's like saying someone has clear title just because the deed has been notarized.
The lettering color on PFE 949 looks to be almost exactly the same as the patched PFE / Daylight orange on the refer next to it. Maybe "color shift" on just the left half of the photo? Maybe the wood refer was painted Dulux Gold? (no and no). If the PFE express refer lettering color was the same Dulux Gold which was indeed used on SP passenger cars, where are color photos of SP olive passenger cars with lettering that looks as orange as the express refer lettering seen in two photos? In every SP olive passenger car color photo I've seen the lettering looks like Dulux Gold, a light yellow-brown, or tan. Rob Simpson ------------------------ Obviously digital scans can render an image poorly, but screen calibration to a standard color palette is important as well. To say nothing of our individual color acuity or lack of it. Tony pointed out that the lettering was Dulux Gold applied over dark olive and in bright noon sunlight looked slightly orange. Made sense to me. :-) Sometime in the 1950's 'Dulux Gold' (a Dupont color) began to look like less like "Imitation Gold" (AP #22) and shifted to Light Imitation Gold (AP #60 or TCP #89). |
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Thanks Brian, another great photo.
An orange by any other name is still an orange. Especially when it's orangier then the orange refer next to it. Rob Simpson --------------------------------------------------- Photo attached. Thanks! -- Brian Ehni |
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That photo is additionally interesting because the 'standard' PFE two-part service panels at the lower right hand side has received a partial black patch from some shop (probably not a PFE shop) with a recent service stencil. Would be an interesting detail to add to a model.
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Obviously digital scans can render an image poorly, but screen calibration to a standard color palette is important as well. To say nothing of our individual color acuity or lack of it. Tony pointed out that the lettering was Dulux Gold applied over dark olive and in bright noon sunlight looked slightly orange. Made sense to me. :-) Sometime in the 1950's 'Dulux Gold' (a Dupont color) began to look like less like "Imitation Gold" (AP #22) and shifted to Light Imitation Gold (AP #60 or TCP #89). On 10/21/2022 4:03 AM, Fred Jansz wrote: Don't know what groups.io did with it, but the original pic looks very different on my screen. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Fred Jansz
Don't know what groups.io did with it, but the original pic looks very different on my screen.
Anyway it was just an attempt to show the reefer's gold lettering was nothing near Daylight orange. I'm off hiking & fishing... Fred Jansz |
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Tony Thompson
Several colors in the image look a little off. Anyone try correcting?
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Tony Thompson On Oct 20, 2022, at 1:43 AM, Fred Jansz <fjansz56@...> wrote:
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