Photo: NYC Cincinnati Freight Yard (1954)
The point was being made that the SLRX cars (aka Anheuser-Busch), seen in the photo of Cincy, were not noted in the NYC consists on the CASO (canadasouthern.com) site. Thus, they likely did not travel to/through Canada (as much).Actually, the point I made about absence of SLRX cars in the CASO dataset had *nothing* to do with travel through Canada, because the trains in the dataset are from NYC lines around Toledo, Ohio, USofA.
The canadasouthern.com website contains a ton of data relating to the parent NYC, including a huge set of consists mostly from the '40s and adjacent decades, geographically as previously mentioned. As the website title suggests, the site does feature many cwt of things specific to the CaSo railway. But no consist data from the Canadian side. There is a lot of other steam era freight car stuff. The site is well worth exploring, tho it can be hard to navigate. Terry Link deserves a big thank you for collecting and sharing all this.
Jack Mullen
The data aren’t only from the CASO railroad. Most of the data (46,000 cars) actually are from the Toledo and Lake divisions, much closer to the photo’s locale than the CASO. It was noteworthy to me that a database of 46,000 cars observed in only Ohio didn’t include even one SLRX car, but a single photo taken in a different part of Ohio had 3.
Jack’s answer regarding routing sounds reasonable.
-Phil
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 11:33:23 AM
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The point was being made that the SLRX cars (aka Anheuser-Busch), seen in the photo of Cincy, were not noted in the NYC consists on the CASO (canadasouthern.com) site. Thus, they likely did not travel to/through Canada (as much). That has since stimulated a discussion of how RBs (insulated boxcars) carrying beer might have transited the northern NYC routing (through Canada).
You got to keep up man, the topic changes faster than the weather around here! ;)
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:03:48 AM
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Note also that SLRX would be carrying beer - an alcoholic product - there *may* have been "administrivia" issues going thru Canada (more paperwork)?
Anyone know if Milwaukee beer products went thru Canada?
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Ken Akerboom
Note that there are 3 SLRX insulated boxcars in the foreground. In the consists at canadasouthern.com, there isn't a single instance of a SLRX car recorded, which makes me wonder if the SLRX cars were confused with Swift (SRLX) cars.Others have noted that confusion between SLRX and SRLX did occur in the real world. Also among model railroaders and perhaps manufacturers.
However, I don't think that has anything to do with the absence of SLRX in the large collection of consists at canadasouthern.com. All the SRLX loads reported have contents shown as some type of meat or related food product; no beer or beverages. Empties fall in the same number ranges as the loads, valid Swift number series. I think this eliminates significant reporting or transcription errors as the reason we don't find SLRX.
So why do we see many SRLX cars and no SLRX? I think the explanation is routing. The consists on the CASO site are NYC traffic, principally Toledo-area. We get traffic moving in the Chicago-New York corridor, plus some more local Michigan/Ohio/Indiana stuff. There's a lot of meat and livestock going east from the Chicago area, Swift and other packers in the data. SLRX loads, by contrast, would be originated in St Louis, and eastbounds would be likely to be routed through Cincinnati rather than via Toledo. In short, the data is just collected from the wrong line segments to have a good chance to see SLRX traffic in this dataset.
Jack Mullen
Especially when they are next to one another in the train! :>)
Steve Hile
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:36 PM
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SLRX is the reporting marks of St Louis Refrigerator Car Company, the railroad of the Anheuser Busch company. There were hauling beer, ie Budweiser.
The reporting marks are often confused with those of Swift SRLX
Doug Harding
https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad
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Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 12:13 PM
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Note that there are 3 SLRX insulated boxcars in the foreground. In the consists at canadasouthern.com, there isn't a single instance of a SLRX car recorded, which makes me wonder if the SLRX cars were confused with Swift (SRLX) cars. Incidentally, the Swift reefer in the foreground seems to be from the 3300 series, which was the largest series of Swift wood reefer.
It's also interesting how few Central cars are clearly visible in the shot. There is what appears to be one NYC Enterprise covered hopper in the same cut of cars as the SLRX insulated boxcars, and there's also what looks to be a Central PS-1(?) to the upper left.
-Phil Lee
SLRX is the reporting marks of St Louis Refrigerator Car Company, the railroad of the Anheuser Busch company. There were hauling beer, ie Budweiser.
The reporting marks are often confused with those of Swift SRLX
Doug Harding
https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/
Youtube: Douglas Harding Iowa Central Railroad
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: NYC Cincinnati Freight Yard (1954)
Note that there are 3 SLRX insulated boxcars in the foreground. In the consists at canadasouthern.com, there isn't a single instance of a SLRX car recorded, which makes me wonder if the SLRX cars were confused with Swift (SRLX) cars. Incidentally, the Swift reefer in the foreground seems to be from the 3300 series, which was the largest series of Swift wood reefer.
It's also interesting how few Central cars are clearly visible in the shot. There is what appears to be one NYC Enterprise covered hopper in the same cut of cars as the SLRX insulated boxcars, and there's also what looks to be a Central PS-1(?) to the upper left.
-Phil Lee
It's also interesting how few Central cars are clearly visible in the shot. There is what appears to be one NYC Enterprise covered hopper in the same cut of cars as the SLRX insulated boxcars, and there's also what looks to be a Central PS-1(?) to the upper left.
-Phil Lee
Is that "murk" or simply "fog"? Perhaps a humidifier? I model the PNW so I
could certainly use fog - more than occasionally - of course if I lay it in heavy
enough that you can't see the far end of the yard my crew would have to
work in heavy coats and hats with ear flaps ... hey, wait a minute ... that's
prototypical too. Maybe we are missing something here - "dress for
success" can take on a whole new meaning. Besides, if you have fog
you don't need super-detailing!
===> Environmental Modeling.
"Don't go to Jim's layout in the fall - he's that weirdo that models a foggy
morning in November - he turns down the heat and you'll freeze your butt
off and you'll have trouble reading the reporting marks. Wear a heavy coat,
a hat, gloves, wool socks and heavy boots."
- Jim in Burlington, Wa. (yes, it's 39 and foggy here this morning)
P.S. Wait Wait - I don't need no stinking humidifier - I can just open the door.