NHIX 900-999 frozen food reefers in service


nyc3001 .
 

According to Sunshine's PDS, the NHIX 900-999 series frozen food reefers were principally routed between Washington state and the Bronx Terminal Market in NYC. Does this suggest that they would often travel in groups of more than one? While there were only 100 built, I will justify having two if they frequently traveled over the Water Level Route in groups of more than one.

-Phil Lee


Brian Carlson
 

I thought the Bronx Terminal Market was served via car float by the CNJ? Was there a connection to the New York Central? 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 7, 2022, at 3:49 PM, nyc3001 . <nyc3001@...> wrote:

According to Sunshine's PDS, the NHIX 900-999 series frozen food reefers were principally routed between Washington state and the Bronx Terminal Market in NYC. Does this suggest that they would often travel in groups of more than one? While there were only 100 built, I will justify having two if they frequently traveled over the Water Level Route in groups of more than one.

-Phil Lee

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Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


nyc3001 .
 

I guess it depends on which one we're thinking of. CNJ had its own, but the Central apparently also had a "Bronx Terminal" to the north that handled 10,000 cars per year.

-Phil


ed_mines
 

Bronx terminal market  was a wholesale fruit & vegetable market located in the south Bronx near the Yankee stadium.
Several railroads that terminated on the west bank of the Hudson river including Erie & CNJ also had terminals in the south Bronx which were serviced by car floats.
What was once the Bronx terminal market is now a shopping mall. A recent map shows it just a few hundred feet from a railroad.


Benjamin Hom
 

Phil Lee wrote:
"According to Sunshine's PDS, the NHIX 900-999 series frozen food reefers were principally routed between Washington state and the Bronx Terminal Market in NYC."

Brian Carlson asked:
"I thought the Bronx Terminal Market was served via car float by the CNJ? Was there a connection to the New York Central?"

Phil Lee replied:
"I guess it depends on which one we're thinking of. CNJ had its own, but the Central apparently also had a "Bronx Terminal" to the north that handled 10,000 cars per year."

So...we're talking about several similarly named but different locations.  The Erie, LV, DL&W, and CNJ had isolated "vest pocket" terminals served by carfloat on the Harlem River in the Bronx.  Somewhat confusingly, the CNJ and LV referred to their facilities as "[CNJ/LVRR] Bronx Terminal; the Erie "Harlem Station", and the DL&W "Harlem Transfer".  More information (including a map showing the locations of these facilities) here:


On the other hand, the Bronx Terminal Market was constructed by the City of New York in 1934-35 and served by the New York Central via both direct connection and car float.  The site was redeveloped in the first decade of the 2000s into a shopping mall (clearly seen right next to I-87/Major Deegan Expressway), but one of the remaining historical buildings (the "Prow" at the southern end of the market) was saved.


Ben Hom



Tim O'Connor
 


Has anyone got a photo to share of one of these cars ? I have never seen one. :-)

On 11/7/2022 3:49 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:

According to Sunshine's PDS, the NHIX 900-999 series frozen food reefers were principally routed between Washington state and the Bronx Terminal Market in NYC. Does this suggest that they would often travel in groups of more than one? While there were only 100 built, I will justify having two if they frequently traveled over the Water Level Route in groups of more than one.

-Phil Lee

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Tim O'Connor
 


NYC definitely served the Bronx, since that is the location of the route into Manhattan Island. The CNJ had no direct
rail link but could serve the city boroughs via car barges. I think there is still a rail served produce/food terminal in the Bronx.


On 11/7/2022 9:04 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:

I guess it depends on which one we're thinking of. CNJ had its own, but the Central apparently also had a "Bronx Terminal" to the north that handled 10,000 cars per year.

-Phil

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


nyc3001 .
 

Here is one from Sunshine's PDS. I've not seen another one although I'm sure there are more.

-Phil 

https://web.archive.org/web/20190126194524/http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun90b.pdf


Tim O'Connor
 


Oh ! I didn't realize Sunshine had done this 50 foot reefer. Here is a shot of NHIX 822. So there
was more than one number series. =-O


On 11/11/2022 2:58 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:

Here is one from Sunshine's PDS. I've not seen another one although I'm sure there are more.

-Phil 

https://web.archive.org/web/20190126194524/http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun90b.pdf

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Richard Townsend
 

RMC had a two-part article (titled "MDT metamorphosis") by David Lambert on these cars in the January 1889 issue (pp. 56-60) and February 1990 (pp. 72-77). Included are photos and plans of the cars in their original configuration. Some were converted to REA  express reefers and there are photos and plans of these cars. To explain the title of the articles, MDT owned the Northern Refrigerator Line, which owned the cars and leased them to the NP. There's a great deal of information on these cars and their dispositions in the two articles.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


ROGER HINMAN
 

The rmc plans have at least one error with the roof panel widths by the ice hatches, I believe the sunshine kit has this error also. Original drawings for this car are available at the np collection in St. Paul’s Minnesota historic
Al society library

Roger hinman


On Nov 11, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io <richtownsend@...> wrote:


RMC had a two-part article (titled "MDT metamorphosis") by David Lambert on these cars in the January 1889 issue (pp. 56-60) and February 1990 (pp. 72-77). Included are photos and plans of the cars in their original configuration. Some were converted to REA  express reefers and there are photos and plans of these cars. To explain the title of the articles, MDT owned the Northern Refrigerator Line, which owned the cars and leased them to the NP. There's a great deal of information on these cars and their dispositions in the two articles.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


ROGER HINMAN
 

There were two different series:800s built in early fifties had different roof panels

Roger hinman


On Nov 11, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Oh ! I didn't realize Sunshine had done this 50 foot reefer. Here is a shot of NHIX 822. So there
was more than one number series. =-O


On 11/11/2022 2:58 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
Here is one from Sunshine's PDS. I've not seen another one although I'm sure there are more.

-Phil 

https://web.archive.org/web/20190126194524/http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun90b.pdf

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts nhix_822 (np_) 50ft_reefer DallasTX 6-1962.jpg


Scott
 

There are some good photos of the cars while under construction at MDT at the online NYC Historical Society photo archive as well.

Scott McDonald 


nyc3001 .
 
Edited

Here is a link to the photos that Scott has told us about. Notice the transverse-mounted AB reservoir.

https://nycshs.omeka.net/search?query=nhix&query_type=keyword&record_types%5B%5D=Item&submit_search=Search

I still don't know if it's justifiable to have more than one of these cars since I'm not sure if they tended to travel in groups of more than one on the NYC.

-Phil


Jeffery
 

Do you have any pictures of this car?


 

Other than the photo posted earlier, this is the only NHIX reefer photo I have.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

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Do you have any pictures of this car?