Industry appropriate cars
I seem to remember a considerable number of CO2 containers. All the above could potentially be delivered by rail if the size of the business was greater, or maybe in an area with poor roads. Glass bottles were used packed in wooden cases or cardboard six packs. Crown caps would be another consumable.
As I recall there was a house brand with a few flavors and they also bottled some other brands, none of the majors.
Jack Mullen
Fritz, that is some great information. The Coca-Cola bottling plant in Beckley, didn't have a siding and is marked that it used the team track.
So by the 50's, I don't know how much rail traffic they would see. I can't imagine that they would want to make a regular habit of moving bottles or other ingredients from the team track to the bottling plant. I could be wrong about that though.
I am also wondering at what point a bottling plant started producing multiple brands. There is Coke, 7-Up & Royal Crown bottling plants listed for Beckley. Now I know that Coke and RC are competitors, so those obviously wouldn't be in the same plant.
He said that in the 1950s, only Coca-Cola was shipping pre-mixed syrup to its bottling plants. They shipped in tank cars to any of their plants that could accept them.
Every other brand received drums and sacks of components to mix with (real) sugar that each plant would source on its own. Depending on location and brand, a plant could use any of a number of types of sugar - cane, beet, etc, but when locally-sourced it usually didn't arrive by rail. When the other ingredients were shipped by rail, the ingredients would arrive in box cars.
Bottles would be shipped by rail, and while Owens' Fairmont glass plant was big, they also shipped bottles out of Toledo, Ohio.
- Fritz Milhaupt
Hello,
My business, rails unlimited, has about 20 different shippers guides, from various railroads all over the country that list industries. My website is railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com.
The newest shippers guide is from the Illinois Terminal railroad and has not made the website yet.
These shippers guides can be used for making prototype way bills and for historical research.
Please contact me off list at: railsunlimited 2@...
Ted
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Thanks for this info. Would be really helpful for any model railroader to have this sort of data for their area and time frame.
However, there is this entry:
Pemberton, WVa
Lilly Ice & Bottling Works
PT
Beverages, Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay
Why is an ice and bottling works getting Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay
Jim van Gaasbeek
Irvine, CA
This link is for the Sanborn Maps for page 15 of Beckly from 1922. It is likely this is the most recent map for this location. Page 15 is the most interesting of the set. https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3894bm.g3894bm_g093861922/?sp=14&st=image&r=-0.133,0.353,1.048,0.572,0
The other pages of interest are 7, 12, 13, and maybe 14 (I don’t recall).
Dave Nelson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Wetterstroem
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2022 12:52 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Industry appropriate cars
I model the C&O towns of Prince, Quinnimont and the Piney Creek Subdivision (branchline) between Prince and Raleigh WV. This area is predominantly known for it's coal mining, but there were a large number of non-coal related industries that served by the C&O. I have a copy of the 1950 Industrial Directory that the railroad put out. From this, I have created as spreadsheet of all the non-coal related business that would have been served either from this branchline or from other branchlines that fingered out from the yard at Raleigh. While I am not modeling these industries or the branches that finger out from the yard at Raleigh, every car serving those businesses would have had to have passed along the section that I am modeling.
What I could use help with is figuring out what car types and or specific models that would be appropriate to serve these industries?
IE, there are a number of bottling plants including Coca~Cola, Seven-Up, Royal Crown and Dr Pepper. I would assume that they would be receiving glass bottles as well as syrup to make the soda-pop from but in what kind of cars? There are also a number or beer distributors on the list. I am assuming that the billboard reefers are gone by the early 50's, but my guess is that they still would have required insulated cars.
Thanks
Location | Business Name | Track Type | Business Type |
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Beckley, WVa | Altman's Cash Feed Stores | TT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
Beckley, WVa | Anchor Sales Co | TT | Mine & Mill Supplies |
Beckley, WVa | Armour & Co | PT | Packing House Products, Warehouse |
Beckley, WVa | Ashland Oil & Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Beckley, WVa | Beckley Distributing Co | TT | Beer Distributor |
Beckley, WVa | Beckley Feed & Supply | TT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
Beckley, WVa | Beckley Hardware | TT | Hardware |
Beckley, WVa | Beckley Ice & Feed | PT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
Beckley, WVa | Beckley Lumber & Supply | PT | Lumber Yard |
Beckley, WVa | Beckley Motor Co | TT | Auto Dealer |
Beckley, WVa | Beckley Newspapers Corp | PT | Newspaper |
Beckley, WVa | Bonham, C.K., & Son | PT | Coal Yard |
Beckley, WVa | Byus-Mankin Lumber Co | PT | Lumber Yard |
Beckley, WVa | Coca Cola Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
Beckley, WVa | Coleman Packing Co | TT | Packing House Products, Warehouse |
Beckley, WVa | Hill-Rohrer Lumber Co | YT | Lumber Yard |
Beckley, WVa | M&M Sales | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Beckley, WVa | Means Lumber Co | PT | Lumber Yard |
Beckley, WVa | Mountain Motors, Inc | TT | Auto Dealer |
Beckley, WVa | Price Bros | YT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
Beckley, WVa | Purity Baking Co | TT | Bakery |
Beckley, WVa | Quality Lumber & Supply | PT | Lumber Yard, Builders Supply |
Beckley, WVa | Raleigh Baking Co | TT | Bakery |
Beckley, WVa | Raleigh Cash Grocery Co | YT | Groceries, Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
Beckley, WVa | Richmond Block Co | PT | Concrete Block Plant |
Beckley, WVa | Royal Crown Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
Beckley, WVa | Seven-Up Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
Beckley, WVa | Southern States Cooperative | TT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
Beckley, WVa | Standard Oil Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Beckley, WVa | Universal Supply Co | YT | Mine & Mill Supplies |
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Beckley Jct, WVa | Amere Gas Utilities Co | PT | Supply Yard |
Beckley Jct, WVa | General Dept. Stores | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
Beckley Jct, WVa | Gulf Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Beckley Jct, WVa | Higgins Grocery Co | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
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Glen Morgan, WVa |
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Glen Morgan, WVa | American Oil Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Glen Morgan, WVa | Beaver Block Co | PT | Cement Block Plant |
Glen Morgan, WVa | Elco Lumber Co | PT | Planing Mill |
Glen Morgan, WVa | Lambert, J.W., Lumber Co |
| Builders Supply |
Glen Morgan, WVa | Todd's Grocery & Hardware Co |
| Groceries, Hardware |
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Mabscott, WVa |
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Mabscott, WVa | Beckley Building Supply Co | TT | Cement Brick Plant |
Mabscott, WVa | Beckley Ice & Feed Co | PT | Beer Distributor |
Mabscott, WVa | Bluefield Grocery Co | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
Mabscott, WVa | Cabot, Godfrey l., Inc | YT | Oil Well Supplies Dealer |
Mabscott, WVa | Cline Distributing Co | TT | Beer Distributor |
Mabscott, WVa | Cohn Distributing Co | YT | Beer Distributor |
Mabscott, WVa | Du Pont de Nemours Co | TT | Powder Magazine |
Mabscott, WVa | Elk Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Mabscott, WVa | Greenbrier Dairy Products Co | PT | Dairy |
Mabscott, WVa | Mabscott Supply Co | TT | Mine Supplies |
Mabscott, WVa | Montgomery-Ward & Co | PT | Warehouse |
Mabscott, WVa | National Mine Service, Inc | PT | Mining Machinery & Supplies |
Mabscott, WVa | Pure Oil Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Mabscott, WVa | Raleigh Grocery Co | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
Mabscott, WVa | Raleigh Hardware Co | YT | Wholesale Hardware |
Mabscott, WVa | Raleigh Junk Co | PT | Scrap Yard |
Mabscott, WVa | Swim, Inc | PT | Ready-mix Cement Plant |
Mabscott, WVa | Texas Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
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Pemberton, WVa | Lilly Ice & Bottling Works | PT | Beverages, Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay |
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Raleigh, WVa | Kirby Lumber Co | TT | Sawmill |
Raleigh, WVa | Wilkes Distributing Co | TT | Beer Distributor |
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Skelton, WVa | Acme Construction Co | PT | Blacktop & Ready-mix Concrete Plant |
Skelton, WVa | Decker Clothes, Inc | TT | Textile Plant |
Skelton, WVa | Dr Pepper Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
Skelton, WVa | Houchins Mfg Co | PT | Cement Block Plant |
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Sprauge, WVa | Ashland Oil & Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
Sprauge, WVa | New River Co | PT | Mine & Mill Supplies |
Sprauge, WVa | West Virginia State Road Comm | PT | Supply Yard |
On Nov 8, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek <jvgbvg@...> wrote:
Thanks for this info. Would be really helpful for any model railroader to have this sort of data for their area and time frame.
However, there is this entry:
Pemberton, WVa
Lilly Ice & Bottling Works
PT
Beverages, Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay
Why is an ice and bottling works getting Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay
Jim van Gaasbeek
Irvine, CA
Thanks for this info. Would be really helpful for any model railroader to have this sort of data for their area and time frame.
However, there is this entry:
Pemberton, WVa | Lilly Ice & Bottling Works | PT | Beverages, Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay |
Why is an ice and bottling works getting Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay
Jim van Gaasbeek
Irvine, CA
On Nov 8, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Dave Wetterstroem <framemakers@...> wrote:
I model the C&O towns of Prince, Quinnimont and the Piney Creek Subdivision (branchline) between Prince and Raleigh WV. This area is predominantly known for it's coal mining, but there were a large number of non-coal related industries that served by the C&O. I have a copy of the 1950 Industrial Directory that the railroad put out. From this, I have created as spreadsheet of all the non-coal related business that would have been served either from this branchline or from other branchlines that fingered out from the yard at Raleigh. While I am not modeling these industries or the branches that finger out from the yard at Raleigh, every car serving those businesses would have had to have passed along the section that I am modeling.
What I could use help with is figuring out what car types and or specific models that would be appropriate to serve these industries?
IE, there are a number of bottling plants including Coca~Cola, Seven-Up, Royal Crown and Dr Pepper. I would assume that they would be receiving glass bottles as well as syrup to make the soda-pop from but in what kind of cars? There are also a number or beer distributors on the list. I am assuming that the billboard reefers are gone by the early 50's, but my guess is that they still would have required insulated cars.
Thanks
Location Business Name Track Type Business Type Beckley, WVa Altman's Cash Feed Stores TT Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay Beckley, WVa Anchor Sales Co TT Mine & Mill Supplies Beckley, WVa Armour & Co PT Packing House Products, Warehouse Beckley, WVa Ashland Oil & Refining Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Beckley, WVa Beckley Distributing Co TT Beer Distributor Beckley, WVa Beckley Feed & Supply TT Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay Beckley, WVa Beckley Hardware TT Hardware Beckley, WVa Beckley Ice & Feed PT Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay Beckley, WVa Beckley Lumber & Supply PT Lumber Yard Beckley, WVa Beckley Motor Co TT Auto Dealer Beckley, WVa Beckley Newspapers Corp PT Newspaper Beckley, WVa Bonham, C.K., & Son PT Coal Yard Beckley, WVa Byus-Mankin Lumber Co PT Lumber Yard Beckley, WVa Coca Cola Bottling Co TT Bottling Plant Beckley, WVa Coleman Packing Co TT Packing House Products, Warehouse Beckley, WVa Hill-Rohrer Lumber Co YT Lumber Yard Beckley, WVa M&M Sales PT Bulk Gas & Oil Beckley, WVa Means Lumber Co PT Lumber Yard Beckley, WVa Mountain Motors, Inc TT Auto Dealer Beckley, WVa Price Bros YT Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay Beckley, WVa Purity Baking Co TT Bakery Beckley, WVa Quality Lumber & Supply PT Lumber Yard, Builders Supply Beckley, WVa Raleigh Baking Co TT Bakery Beckley, WVa Raleigh Cash Grocery Co YT Groceries, Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay Beckley, WVa Richmond Block Co PT Concrete Block Plant Beckley, WVa Royal Crown Bottling Co TT Bottling Plant Beckley, WVa Seven-Up Bottling Co TT Bottling Plant Beckley, WVa Southern States Cooperative TT Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay Beckley, WVa Standard Oil Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Beckley, WVa Universal Supply Co YT Mine & Mill Supplies Beckley Jct, WVa Amere Gas Utilities Co PT Supply Yard Beckley Jct, WVa General Dept. Stores PT Wholesale Groceries Beckley Jct, WVa Gulf Refining Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Beckley Jct, WVa Higgins Grocery Co PT Wholesale Groceries Glen Morgan, WVa Glen Morgan, WVa American Oil Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Glen Morgan, WVa Beaver Block Co PT Cement Block Plant Glen Morgan, WVa Elco Lumber Co PT Planing Mill Glen Morgan, WVa Lambert, J.W., Lumber Co Builders Supply Glen Morgan, WVa Todd's Grocery & Hardware Co Groceries, Hardware Mabscott, WVa Mabscott, WVa Beckley Building Supply Co TT Cement Brick Plant Mabscott, WVa Beckley Ice & Feed Co PT Beer Distributor Mabscott, WVa Bluefield Grocery Co PT Wholesale Groceries Mabscott, WVa Cabot, Godfrey l., Inc YT Oil Well Supplies Dealer Mabscott, WVa Cline Distributing Co TT Beer Distributor Mabscott, WVa Cohn Distributing Co YT Beer Distributor Mabscott, WVa Du Pont de Nemours Co TT Powder Magazine Mabscott, WVa Elk Refining Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Mabscott, WVa Greenbrier Dairy Products Co PT Dairy Mabscott, WVa Mabscott Supply Co TT Mine Supplies Mabscott, WVa Montgomery-Ward & Co PT Warehouse Mabscott, WVa National Mine Service, Inc PT Mining Machinery & Supplies Mabscott, WVa Pure Oil Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Mabscott, WVa Raleigh Grocery Co PT Wholesale Groceries Mabscott, WVa Raleigh Hardware Co YT Wholesale Hardware Mabscott, WVa Raleigh Junk Co PT Scrap Yard Mabscott, WVa Swim, Inc PT Ready-mix Cement Plant Mabscott, WVa Texas Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Pemberton, WVa Lilly Ice & Bottling Works PT Beverages, Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay Raleigh, WVa Kirby Lumber Co TT Sawmill Raleigh, WVa Wilkes Distributing Co TT Beer Distributor Skelton, WVa Acme Construction Co PT Blacktop & Ready-mix Concrete Plant Skelton, WVa Decker Clothes, Inc TT Textile Plant Skelton, WVa Dr Pepper Bottling Co TT Bottling Plant Skelton, WVa Houchins Mfg Co PT Cement Block Plant Sprauge, WVa Ashland Oil & Refining Co PT Bulk Gas & Oil Sprauge, WVa New River Co PT Mine & Mill Supplies Sprauge, WVa West Virginia State Road Comm PT Supply Yard
I model the C&O towns of Prince, Quinnimont and the Piney Creek Subdivision (branchline) between Prince and Raleigh WV. This area is predominantly known for it's coal mining, but there were a large number of non-coal related industries that served by the C&O. I have a copy of the 1950 Industrial Directory that the railroad put out. From this, I have created as spreadsheet of all the non-coal related business that would have been served either from this branchline or from other branchlines that fingered out from the yard at Raleigh. While I am not modeling these industries or the branches that finger out from the yard at Raleigh, every car serving those businesses would have had to have passed along the section that I am modeling.
What I could use help with is figuring out what car types and or specific models that would be appropriate to serve these industries?
IE, there are a number of bottling plants including Coca~Cola, Seven-Up, Royal Crown and Dr Pepper. I would assume that they would be receiving glass bottles as well as syrup to make the soda-pop from but in what kind of cars? There are also a number or beer distributors on the list. I am assuming that the billboard reefers are gone by the early 50's, but my guess is that they still would have required insulated cars.
Thanks
| Location | Business Name | Track Type | Business Type |
| Beckley, WVa | Altman's Cash Feed Stores | TT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
| Beckley, WVa | Anchor Sales Co | TT | Mine & Mill Supplies |
| Beckley, WVa | Armour & Co | PT | Packing House Products, Warehouse |
| Beckley, WVa | Ashland Oil & Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Beckley, WVa | Beckley Distributing Co | TT | Beer Distributor |
| Beckley, WVa | Beckley Feed & Supply | TT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
| Beckley, WVa | Beckley Hardware | TT | Hardware |
| Beckley, WVa | Beckley Ice & Feed | PT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
| Beckley, WVa | Beckley Lumber & Supply | PT | Lumber Yard |
| Beckley, WVa | Beckley Motor Co | TT | Auto Dealer |
| Beckley, WVa | Beckley Newspapers Corp | PT | Newspaper |
| Beckley, WVa | Bonham, C.K., & Son | PT | Coal Yard |
| Beckley, WVa | Byus-Mankin Lumber Co | PT | Lumber Yard |
| Beckley, WVa | Coca Cola Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
| Beckley, WVa | Coleman Packing Co | TT | Packing House Products, Warehouse |
| Beckley, WVa | Hill-Rohrer Lumber Co | YT | Lumber Yard |
| Beckley, WVa | M&M Sales | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Beckley, WVa | Means Lumber Co | PT | Lumber Yard |
| Beckley, WVa | Mountain Motors, Inc | TT | Auto Dealer |
| Beckley, WVa | Price Bros | YT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
| Beckley, WVa | Purity Baking Co | TT | Bakery |
| Beckley, WVa | Quality Lumber & Supply | PT | Lumber Yard, Builders Supply |
| Beckley, WVa | Raleigh Baking Co | TT | Bakery |
| Beckley, WVa | Raleigh Cash Grocery Co | YT | Groceries, Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
| Beckley, WVa | Richmond Block Co | PT | Concrete Block Plant |
| Beckley, WVa | Royal Crown Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
| Beckley, WVa | Seven-Up Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
| Beckley, WVa | Southern States Cooperative | TT | Feed, Flour, Seed, Hay |
| Beckley, WVa | Standard Oil Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Beckley, WVa | Universal Supply Co | YT | Mine & Mill Supplies |
| Beckley Jct, WVa | Amere Gas Utilities Co | PT | Supply Yard |
| Beckley Jct, WVa | General Dept. Stores | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
| Beckley Jct, WVa | Gulf Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Beckley Jct, WVa | Higgins Grocery Co | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
| Glen Morgan, WVa | |||
| Glen Morgan, WVa | American Oil Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Glen Morgan, WVa | Beaver Block Co | PT | Cement Block Plant |
| Glen Morgan, WVa | Elco Lumber Co | PT | Planing Mill |
| Glen Morgan, WVa | Lambert, J.W., Lumber Co | Builders Supply | |
| Glen Morgan, WVa | Todd's Grocery & Hardware Co | Groceries, Hardware | |
| Mabscott, WVa | |||
| Mabscott, WVa | Beckley Building Supply Co | TT | Cement Brick Plant |
| Mabscott, WVa | Beckley Ice & Feed Co | PT | Beer Distributor |
| Mabscott, WVa | Bluefield Grocery Co | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
| Mabscott, WVa | Cabot, Godfrey l., Inc | YT | Oil Well Supplies Dealer |
| Mabscott, WVa | Cline Distributing Co | TT | Beer Distributor |
| Mabscott, WVa | Cohn Distributing Co | YT | Beer Distributor |
| Mabscott, WVa | Du Pont de Nemours Co | TT | Powder Magazine |
| Mabscott, WVa | Elk Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Mabscott, WVa | Greenbrier Dairy Products Co | PT | Dairy |
| Mabscott, WVa | Mabscott Supply Co | TT | Mine Supplies |
| Mabscott, WVa | Montgomery-Ward & Co | PT | Warehouse |
| Mabscott, WVa | National Mine Service, Inc | PT | Mining Machinery & Supplies |
| Mabscott, WVa | Pure Oil Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Mabscott, WVa | Raleigh Grocery Co | PT | Wholesale Groceries |
| Mabscott, WVa | Raleigh Hardware Co | YT | Wholesale Hardware |
| Mabscott, WVa | Raleigh Junk Co | PT | Scrap Yard |
| Mabscott, WVa | Swim, Inc | PT | Ready-mix Cement Plant |
| Mabscott, WVa | Texas Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Pemberton, WVa | Lilly Ice & Bottling Works | PT | Beverages, Explosives, Flour, Feed, Seed & Hay |
| Raleigh, WVa | Kirby Lumber Co | TT | Sawmill |
| Raleigh, WVa | Wilkes Distributing Co | TT | Beer Distributor |
| Skelton, WVa | Acme Construction Co | PT | Blacktop & Ready-mix Concrete Plant |
| Skelton, WVa | Decker Clothes, Inc | TT | Textile Plant |
| Skelton, WVa | Dr Pepper Bottling Co | TT | Bottling Plant |
| Skelton, WVa | Houchins Mfg Co | PT | Cement Block Plant |
| Sprauge, WVa | Ashland Oil & Refining Co | PT | Bulk Gas & Oil |
| Sprauge, WVa | New River Co | PT | Mine & Mill Supplies |
| Sprauge, WVa | West Virginia State Road Comm | PT | Supply Yard |