Correct Color for Missouri Pacific Boxcars
That's true, but our eyes perceive less light as we age -- it may diminish as much as 80% by age 80 in many people.
So brighter lighting really does make a difference.
On 11/12/2022 9:36 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:
Lumens is a measure of light intensity. Kelvin temperature (K) is the wavelength of the light. They are separate characteristics. Nelson Moyer
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Nelson Moyer
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Correct Color for Missouri Pacific Boxcars
If I may, 5000K is the upward end on the lumens, but how I have my entire layout. This was the advice of a MRR photographer. Above that 'blue' kicks in.
On 2022-11-12 19:00, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
I agree with Kevin.--
I have tried, over the past 15 years, to ensure that the lighting I
have on my layout (a blend of 3500K and 5000K lights) is the same over
my workbench and paint booth. This hopefully ensures that the
painting and weathering I do looks the same on the layout as it did on
my workbench.
Todd Sullivan
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Kevin Macomber
NGMC
(717) 474-8399
www.narrowgaugemodeling.com
I agree with Kevin.
I have tried, over the past 15 years, to ensure that the lighting I
have on my layout (a blend of 3500K and 5000K lights) is the same over
my workbench and paint booth. This hopefully ensures that the
painting and weathering I do looks the same on the layout as it did on
my workbench.
Todd Sullivan
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[1] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/message/196604
[2] https://groups.io/mt/94968320/645454
[3] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/editsub/645454
[5] https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/leave/11334620/645454/765963421/xyzzy
Kevin Macomber
NGMC
(717) 474-8399
www.narrowgaugemodeling.com
I have tried, over the past 15 years, to ensure that the lighting I have on my layout (a blend of 3500K and 5000K lights) is the same over my workbench and paint booth. This hopefully ensures that the painting and weathering I do looks the same on the layout as it did on my workbench.
Todd Sullivan
Lumens and color will alter most. Some of the lights will totally change the look.
I saw the one comment close is good, but it still has to be within the hue scheme.
Kevin
NGMC
It's all in good to say just pick any color, but to be close you have
to have a color to start from and a recommendation of that color is
helpful. I for one ask for color recommendations as you learn
additional information like what Charlie posted and I would have asked
also. One key thing is that colors in pictures and what we see in
digital images may not actually match what the prototype looked like.
Kinda like pictures of MKT box cars when the question is for Missouri
Pacific cars.
Nate
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Kevin Macomber
NGMC
(717) 474-8399
www.narrowgaugemodeling.com
It’s all in good to say just pick any color, but to be close you have to have a color to start from and a recommendation of that color is helpful. I for one ask for color recommendations as you learn additional information like what Charlie posted and I would have asked also. One key thing is that colors in pictures and what we see in digital images may not actually match what the prototype looked like. Kinda like pictures of MKT box cars when the question is for Missouri Pacific cars.
Nate
This is a question that comes up frequently from modelers of all railroads. My advice is close is good enough. When you look at prototype photos of any railroad, one always sees a variety of shades of color, due to many reasons including slightly different paint mixes, where the car has traveled, the time since it was repainted, etc. So I always wonder why folks are so worried about the exact color to paint a specific car? As demonstrated by the photos attached to Tim’s email, close is good enough.
Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
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RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA
This is a question that comes up frequently from modelers of all railroads. My advice is close is good enough. When you look at prototype photos of any railroad, one always sees a variety of shades of color, due to many reasons including slightly different paint mixes, where the car has traveled, the time since it was repainted, etc. So I always wonder why folks are so worried about the exact color to paint a specific car? As demonstrated by the photos attached to Tim’s email, close is good enough.
Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
Ah, yes, the old color matching question :-P
On 11/12/2022 4:34 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote:
Eric
Ed Hawkins recommends using TruColor MKT Freight Car Brown as the correct match for the MP cars. TCP-188. The later red hue didn’t come until the early 1960’s.
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Charlie Duckworth
Omaha, Ne.
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
I am currenting working on a couple MP Boxcar Kits, one is SS Models 120000 series 36' Wood and a SS Mini Kit a MP 1942 Steel Boxcar.
My Question is this: Sunshine calls for the 36' Wood Boxcar to be painted Boxcar Red (Circa 1948) and the AAR 1942 Boxcar to be painted Oxide Red. Were the Wood cars ever painted Oxide Red Post WW II? What year was the Color change, if any?
Thanks
Eric Thur