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Correct Color for Missouri Pacific Boxcars
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That's true, but our eyes perceive less light as we age -- it may diminish as much as 80% by age 80 in many people. So brighter lighting really does make a difference. On 11/12/2022 9:36 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote: Lumens is a measure of light intensity. Kelvin temperature (K) is the wavelength of the light. They are separate characteristics. Nelson Moyer --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Nelson Moyer
Correction, I meant to say color temperature,not wavelength. K is color temperature.
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Nelson Moyer
Lumens is a measure of light intensity. Kelvin temperature (K) is the wavelength of the light. They are separate characteristics.
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Macomber Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 7:13 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Cc: Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Correct Color for Missouri Pacific Boxcars If I may, 5000K is the upward end on the lumens, but how I have my entire layout. This was the advice of a MRR photographer. Above that 'blue' kicks in. On 2022-11-12 19:00, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote: I agree with Kevin.-- Kevin Macomber NGMC (717) 474-8399 www.narrowgaugemodeling.com |
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If I may, 5000K is the upward end on the lumens, but how I have my entire layout. This was the advice of a MRR photographer. Above that 'blue' kicks in.
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On 2022-11-12 19:00, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
I agree with Kevin. --
Kevin Macomber NGMC (717) 474-8399 www.narrowgaugemodeling.com |
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Todd Sullivan
I agree with Kevin.
I have tried, over the past 15 years, to ensure that the lighting I have on my layout (a blend of 3500K and 5000K lights) is the same over my workbench and paint booth. This hopefully ensures that the painting and weathering I do looks the same on the layout as it did on my workbench. Todd Sullivan |
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Being I'm in the paint business, the biggest influencer honestly is the lighting above your work.
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Lumens and color will alter most. Some of the lights will totally change the look. I saw the one comment close is good, but it still has to be within the hue scheme. Kevin NGMC On 2022-11-12 18:45, Nathan Obermeyer via groups.io wrote:
It's all in good to say just pick any color, but to be close you have --
Kevin Macomber NGMC (717) 474-8399 www.narrowgaugemodeling.com |
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It’s all in good to say just pick any color, but to be close you have to have a color to start from and a recommendation of that color is helpful. I for one ask for color recommendations as you learn additional information like what Charlie posted and I would have asked also. One key thing is that colors in pictures and what we see in digital images may not actually match what the prototype looked like. Kinda like pictures of MKT box cars when the question is for Missouri Pacific cars.
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WILLIAM PARDIE
Very well put Chuck. My thoughts exactly. We spend enough time worring about the right truck or brake wheel. I would venture to say that even the best researched and perfectly matched paint on a model would be a bit off if set next to the prototype. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> Date: 11/12/22 4:08 AM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Correct Color for Missouri Pacific Boxcars This is a question that comes up frequently from modelers of all railroads. My advice is close is good enough. When you look at prototype photos of any railroad, one always sees a variety of shades of color, due to many reasons including slightly different paint mixes, where the car has traveled, the time since it was repainted, etc. So I always wonder why folks are so worried about the exact color to paint a specific car? As demonstrated by the photos attached to Tim’s email, close is good enough.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM |
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radiodial868
It has taken awhile to break my OCD adherence to exactness, but I fully embrace that concept now to the point of making it a point to paint batches of cars just a little off from each other, as I did with my last batch of my 1939 era SP B-50-13/-14's, and am in the process of the B-50-15/-16's.
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Chuck Cover
This is a question that comes up frequently from modelers of all railroads. My advice is close is good enough. When you look at prototype photos of any railroad, one always sees a variety of shades of color, due to many reasons including slightly different paint mixes, where the car has traveled, the time since it was repainted, etc. So I always wonder why folks are so worried about the exact color to paint a specific car? As demonstrated by the photos attached to Tim’s email, close is good enough.
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM |
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Ah, yes, the old color matching question :-P On 11/12/2022 4:34 AM, Charlie Duckworth via groups.io wrote: Eric --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Eric
Ed Hawkins recommends using TruColor MKT Freight Car Brown as the correct match for the MP cars. TCP-188. The later red hue didn’t come until the early 1960’s. -- Charlie Duckworth Omaha, Ne. |
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Eric Thur
All,
I am currenting working on a couple MP Boxcar Kits, one is SS Models 120000 series 36' Wood and a SS Mini Kit a MP 1942 Steel Boxcar. My Question is this: Sunshine calls for the 36' Wood Boxcar to be painted Boxcar Red (Circa 1948) and the AAR 1942 Boxcar to be painted Oxide Red. Were the Wood cars ever painted Oxide Red Post WW II? What year was the Color change, if any? Thanks Eric Thur |
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