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Tichy Train Group #3070 Boxcar Door Hardware

Charles Greene
 

I'm adding detail to a Scotia Scale Models 36' wood truss-rod boxcar kit. I'm having trouble identifying some hardware and its uses on the #3070 sprue in the below photo. I've looked at hardware in Car Builders' Dictionaries and Cyclopedias for 1906, -09, -13, -16 and -19, but haven't found some of the particular devices included in the #3070 assortment. Maybe somebody here has used these parts and knows/has figured out how/where to put them; if you used some on-line reference please let me know what it is. I've also e-mailed the Tichy folks, but based on past experience it's difficult to get a response (probably because small operation and busy).
 
I've marked various devices in the photo with numbered arrows. I'm using one or the other of #5 for an open door stop and #4 for a closed door stop. #s 1,2 and 3 on the sprue seem to be different designs of hasps, but I'm not sure. All three have small button-like projections on one end of the underside of each of the three designs. If these three designs are hasps, would they be mounted on the door edge by drilling a hole in the door to accept the button-like projection?

Chuck Greene
St. Charles, IL

Dave Parker
 

Chuck:

What you have labeled as #4 are door stops.  The larger, adjacent bits are bottom door guides.

All the bits in your #5 area (and the row below it) are standoffs for the above, in a couple of different thicknesses to accommodate differing door thicknesses and car-side details.

I agree, items 1,2, and 3 look likes hasps (perhaps), but whatever the intent, I have yet to find a use for them.

Only a partial answer, but I hope it helps.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Charles Greene
 

Thanks, Dave.....you're right about #5, and it's confirmed by Don Tichy in an e-mail response to the query I mentioned in my post (wouldn't you know....had problems getting a response in the past, but soon as I mentioned it here, Don himself answered!). He referred me to instructions for the hardware on his website (https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Portals/0/Instructions/Door_guides_instrutions_pdf.pdf?ver=JBLvWRgsNMLUqHajeV5TMA%3d%3d). In my case, both thicknesses of #5 are too much so I used .010" styrene strip which allows the door guides (the unnumbered row above #4) and stops (#4) to just clear the door edges. Tichy's door hangers apparently go way back, long before my 1920s modeling era. I found something similar in the 1879 Car Build. Dict. so Don's assortment covers a long period; in fact, he does describe one design of hanger as "early". The tops of my doors are concealed by 1/16" angle stock which I think represents weather protection of the door track on a prototype car. Don't think I'll go for adding hangers with their rollers at the door tops....would require increasing the size of that angle stock to something out-of-scale. I'm already fairly satisfied with the detail I have added (!). 

Chuck Greene
St. Charles, IL 

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 06:43 PM, Charles Greene wrote:
The tops of my doors are concealed by 1/16" angle stock which I think represents weather protection of the door track on a prototype car. Don't think I'll go for adding hangers with their rollers at the door tops....would require increasing the size of that angle stock to something out-of-scale. I'm already fairly satisfied with the detail I have added (!). 
Most Camel door hangers rolled on a flat steel track that had an angle section riveted to the underside that both restrained the door and provided the weather seal, so the hangers and their rollers were exposed. The angled sheet steel weather hoods were typically used with the roller guides which supported the door from the bottom.

Dennis Storzek

Rob Sundberg
 

Go here https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Instructions.aspx and download the 3070 instructions. It explains what all the parts are. This should help.
Rob

Charles Greene
 

Thanks for extra info, Dennis. Did you mean to say "...and provided the weather seal, so the hangers and their rollers were not exposed."? 

Chuck Greene
St. Charles, IL

Charles Greene
 

Thanks, Rob....I put the direct link to the instructions in my 2nd post.

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 03:33 PM, Charles Greene wrote:
Did you mean to say "...and provided the weather seal, so the hangers and their rollers were not exposed."?
ARE exposed. Like this:




You can see how the downward flange of the angle covers the top edge of the door.



Dennis Stoezek

Charles Greene
 

Got it....sorry, Dennis, but sometimes I need a picture! So I guess the flange not only kept rain off the door edge, but also, when the door was closed it prevented water from seeping between the door edge and the door opening/interior.

Chuck Greene
St. Charles, IL

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