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Question on Illinois Terminal 50 yon war emergeny hopper 4000-4074 series
Hey all, I need some help. I am building some HO scale Proto 2000 50 ton war emergency coal hoppers that I will decal for the Illinois Terminal. These are the steel hoppers with wood sides in the 4000-4074 series built by ACF in 1944. In the instructions I have the choice of using either Wine door and locks or Enterprise door and locks. I also have the choice of a Miner or Ajax brake wheel. Would anyone happen to know which of these equipment would be appropriate for these Illinois Terminal hoppers?
Thanks!
Doug Forbes
Ed Hawkins
On Nov 28, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Doug Forbes <dforbes@...> wrote:Hey all, I need some help. I am building some HO scale Proto 2000 50 ton war emergency coal hoppers that I will decal for the Illinois Terminal. These are the steel hoppers with wood sides in the 4000-4074 series built by ACF in 1944. In the instructions I have the choice of using either Wine door and locks or Enterprise door and locks. I also have the choice of a Miner or Ajax brake wheel. Would anyone happen to know which of these equipment would be appropriate for these Illinois Terminal hoppers?Thanks!Doug Forbes
Doug,
The ACF bill of materials for lot 2712 specifies Wine door locks and T-Z brake steps (steel plate with pressed safety tread) on all 75 cars. Hand brakes were Ajax for the first 50 cars 4000-4049 and National for the last 25 cars 4050-4074. The hand wheel of the National hand brake on the latter 25 cars has six outer hand holds with a scalloped shape. The appearance is same as the later Champion-Peacock hand brake offered by Kadee Quality Products. Trucks were AAR spring-plank type with a rolled steel channel supporting the springs.
The ACF builder photo of ITC 4068 was published on page 27 of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 29.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
roy wojahn
Or to carry coal. Didn't they serve some strip coal mines?
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 03:33:19 PM PST, Philip Dove <philipdove22@...> wrote:
I guess the covered hopper was to carry materials for the manufacture of glass or more probably powdered lime stone as a flux in the steel industry.
Don Burn
I would say glass, the IT covered a lot of the area where glass manufacturing was done in Illinois. They were still carrying materials for glass in the late 1960's when I went to college in central Illinois.
Don Burn
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I guess the covered hopper was to carry materials for the manufacture of glass or more probably powdered lime stone as a flux in the steel industry.
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I guess the covered hopper was to carry materials for the manufacture of glass or more probably powdered lime stone as a flux in the steel industry.
roy wojahn
Gotcha! I guess coal can survive without a cover. But would they not use their own uncovered hoppers to haul coal their own power plants?
Roy
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 04:42:46 PM PST, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 05:36 PM, roy wojahn wrote:
Dennis Storzek
Or to carry coal.He's talking about the second photo, the car with the very home made looking roof.
Dennis Storzek
roy wojahn
The book IT, the Road of Personalized Services by Dale Jenkins, page 125, shows a large transloading facility on the Mississippi to load Illinois coal into barges. The hoppers shown are CB&Q, IC, and Mopac, however.
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 06:14:08 PM PST, roy wojahn via groups.io <zuch2rew@...> wrote:
Gotcha! I guess coal can survive without a cover. But would they not use their own uncovered hoppers to haul coal their own power plants?
Roy
On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 04:42:46 PM PST, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 05:36 PM, roy wojahn wrote:
Dennis Storzek
Or to carry coal.He's talking about the second photo, the car with the very home made looking roof.
Dennis Storzek
Hey John,
I have been on the lookout for ITC hoppers, of any type really, and have found none. Therefore, I bought a few Proto 2000 war emergency hoppers and I'm going to decal my own. I am going to use the Herald King H72 and the oval decal come from the Herald King F70 for the ITC flat cars. It would be nice if the oval was on the hopper decal set, but its not. I bought black hoppers, NKP I think, and used rubbing alcohol to remove the lettering.
Everyone else,
As I understand it, a number of these hoppers had a roof and hatches added to them homemade style by the workers at their Federal Shops. These "covered" hoppers were for hauling sand for their diesel locomotives. At least I've read that in an issue of "The Flyer".
I have been on the lookout for ITC hoppers, of any type really, and have found none. Therefore, I bought a few Proto 2000 war emergency hoppers and I'm going to decal my own. I am going to use the Herald King H72 and the oval decal come from the Herald King F70 for the ITC flat cars. It would be nice if the oval was on the hopper decal set, but its not. I bought black hoppers, NKP I think, and used rubbing alcohol to remove the lettering.
Everyone else,
As I understand it, a number of these hoppers had a roof and hatches added to them homemade style by the workers at their Federal Shops. These "covered" hoppers were for hauling sand for their diesel locomotives. At least I've read that in an issue of "The Flyer".
