B&M MTC 70110 & L&N11754


Robert kirkham
 

I’m always on the lookout for interesting freight cars appearing in my local area, and this photo came to my attention this afternoon.  

The car at the centre of the photo is easy enough to model - a USRA double sheathed design.  I whether the paint and lettering scheme is one that would have applied during the mid 1940s?   And are there decals available to model these cars?

The other cars are less identifiable to me; to the left, it looks like another USRA with some interesting detail differences at the fascia.  I wonder what that round logo might be?  FEC?

The other car (at right) is obviously at least 6” shorter than the USRA cars, and has inward Murphy 7/7 ends.  For those knowledgable about L&N double sheathed boxcars, any suggestions on possible models or decals?

Rob


Dave Parker
 

Rob:

Regarding the MTC (Mystic Terminal Company, a B&M subsidiary):  Yes, that's a mid-40s scheme as evidenced by the 1946 reweigh date.  But, 1946 was the year the B&M's USRA cars started receiving AB brakes, Ajax handbrakes, and the Minuteman Service logo as seen here (thanks to Ted C for the photo):



MTC 70110 appears to have received the first two upgrades, but not the third. And I have to be honest, my photo collection of MTC cars is too meager to be able to say that the MTC cars were ever adorned with that logo.  The small number of MTC cars were enumerated in the ORER B&M listings through July, 1932, but were not by July, 1933.  Thus, it's hard to say how many cars still bore these reporting marks by the 1940s.  In-service photos showing the MTC marks are quite rare in my experience.

BTW, despite these upgrades, the B&M's USRA box-cars did not survive for much longer.  Down to 52 cars (of the original 500) by 1950, only four in July of 1953, and gone by 1955.

I recall seeing some chatter about MTC decals, but can't remember the context.  I'd hazard a guess that the Westerfield B&M USRA set includes them.

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Robert kirkham
 

thanks for the detailed info Dave!   I didn’t realize MTC70110 was such a rare bird.  Part of what caught my eye was the “at home on Boston & Maine” lettering above the MTC.    Westerfield D3803 is a Boston & Maine decal for USRA cars; i will ask Andrew whether it offers the MTC “at home…” lettering.

Rob  

On Dec 18, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> wrote:

Rob:

Regarding the MTC (Mystic Terminal Company, a B&M subsidiary):  Yes, that's a mid-40s scheme as evidenced by the 1946 reweigh date.  But, 1946 was the year the B&M's USRA cars started receiving AB brakes, Ajax handbrakes, and the Minuteman Service logo as seen here (thanks to Ted C for the photo):

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MTC 70110 appears to have received the first two upgrades, but not the third. And I have to be honest, my photo collection of MTC cars is too meager to be able to say that the MTC cars were ever adorned with that logo.  The small number of MTC cars were enumerated in the ORER B&M listings through July, 1932, but were not by July, 1933.  Thus, it's hard to say how many cars still bore these reporting marks by the 1940s.  In-service photos showing the MTC marks are quite rare in my experience.

BTW, despite these upgrades, the B&M's USRA box-cars did not survive for much longer.  Down to 52 cars (of the original 500) by 1950, only four in July of 1953, and gone by 1955.

I recall seeing some chatter about MTC decals, but can't remember the context.  I'd hazard a guess that the Westerfield B&M USRA set includes them.

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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


akerboomk
 

If you want most of the gory details on the B&M USRA DS boxcars, see this page:
http://bmfreightcars.com/Box/Box_70000_series.html

(note the new home page in my signature)
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Ken Akerboom
http://bmfreightcars.com/


Robert kirkham
 

wow Ken, - that looks like an enormous effort!  Thanks for the link.

Rob

On Dec 18, 2022, at 9:06 PM, akerboomk <ken-akerboom@...> wrote:

If you want most of the gory details on the B&M USRA DS boxcars, see this page:
http://bmfreightcars.com/Box/Box_70000_series.html

(note the new home page in my signature)
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Ken Akerboom
http://bmfreightcars.com/


Benjamin Scanlon
 

Dear Rob, not my area of knowledge at all, but here is an FEC DS car.  Don't know anything about it.  
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Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England


Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 11:06 PM, akerboomk wrote:
If you want most of the gory details on the B&M USRA DS boxcars, see this page:
http://bmfreightcars.com/Box/Box_70000_series.html
Interestingly, the builder's photo of B&M 70115CT in the above link shows the car with no fascia, while the later photos elsewhere in this thread show the cars with fascia.

I also noticed something I've never seen before; in that builder's photo, the rectangular herald has an upward pointing arrow through the B in Boston, and its differing graytone would seem to indicate the arrow in something other than white. Does anyone have a clue as the proper color of the arrow?

Dennis Storzek


Dave Parker
 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 01:04 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Interestingly, the builder's photo of B&M 70115CT in the above link shows the car with no fascia, while the later photos elsewhere in this thread show the cars with fascia.
Dennis, isn't this generally true with the DS cars?  If I flip through all the photos in RPCyc 16, I don't find this many exceptions to this generalization (no fascia on BPs, yes fascias on in-service pix).  To me the more interesting question is does this mean that the cars were re-roofed when the fascias were added later?  Otherwise, it seems that the panels and seam-caps would come up an inch short with the fascias in place.
I also noticed something I've never seen before; in that builder's photo, the rectangular herald has an upward pointing arrow through the B in Boston, and its differing graytone would seem to indicate the arrow in something other than white. Does anyone have a clue as the proper color of the arrow?
The "arrow" herald was apparently in .use from the late teens into the mid-twenties or so, or at least it persisted that long.  I am not aware of any good clues as to it's color, but Earl Tuson might have an idea (?).
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 03:30 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
Dennis, isn't this generally true with the DS cars?  If I flip through all the photos in RPCyc 16, I don't find this many exceptions to this generalization (no fascia on BPs, yes fascias on in-service pix).  To me the more interesting question is does this mean that the cars were re-roofed when the fascias were added later?  Otherwise, it seems that the panels and seam-caps would come up an inch short with the fascias in place.
Yes, but, since the panels and seam caps all hooked onto what I would call a 'starter strip' that nailed to the fascia, only that strip need be replaced with one made wider by the thickness of the fascia, all the rest could be reused.

Dennis Storzek


Philip Dove
 

Just supposition but possibly white paints of different types were used on the herald and the lettering. The weather beaten sheathing contrasting with the stark clarity of the lettering suggest they might have used a "chalking" or self cleaning paint for the lettering so it stayed bright and clear whereas the logo was possibly painted by a sign writer using a quick drying sign writers enamel so he could get the adjacent colours done more or less immediately. Against this theory is the lack of white smears below the lettering. 


Tim O'Connor
 


I've never seen that B&M arrow before. I googled for information and got the B&M groups.io folks --
https://groups.io/g/BM-RR/topic/31422595?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

Those would be the folks to ask. :-)

On 12/19/2022 4:04 PM, Dennis Storzek via groups.io wrote:

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 11:06 PM, akerboomk wrote:
If you want most of the gory details on the B&M USRA DS boxcars, see this page:
http://bmfreightcars.com/Box/Box_70000_series.html
Interestingly, the builder's photo of B&M 70115CT in the above link shows the car with no fascia, while the later photos elsewhere in this thread show the cars with fascia.

I also noticed something I've never seen before; in that builder's photo, the rectangular herald has an upward pointing arrow through the B in Boston, and its differing graytone would seem to indicate the arrow in something other than white. Does anyone have a clue as the proper color of the arrow?

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts