Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
On 01/02/2023 12:41 AM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Any recommendation for which truck to use for this model? Also, is the roof from the Tichy kit correct for this car?Decal recommendation?
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Media, PA
On 01/02/2023 9:48 AM EST Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:Andy,Walthers Proto 920-2003 Andrews trucks come very close:
The Kadee and Tahoe Andrews trucks are different - look at the bottom straps attached to the bottom supports of the journal boxes.
Ken Montero
Andy,
Tahoe Model Works offers the only accurate USRA Andrews truck in HO scale. See attached.
Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
The Accurail Andrews trucks are very nice, but reflect a 70-ton version. The wheelbase is slightly longer.
Eric Hansmann
Media. PA
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 12:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
I agree Tahoe trucks are accurate and great but remember that Accurail also makes this truck for their USRA DS boxcars. It doesn't look bad either.
Fenton
The Accurail Andrews trucks are very nice, but reflect a 70-ton version. The wheelbase is slightly longer.
Eric Hansmann
Media. PA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 12:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
I agree Tahoe trucks are accurate and great but remember that Accurail also makes this truck for their USRA DS boxcars. It doesn't look bad either.
Fenton
IIRC, Dennis has mentioned it on this list a few times in the past.
Eric Hansmann
Media, PA
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 2:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
Thanks Eric, that I didn't know.
Fenton
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 1:59 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
The Accurail Andrews trucks are very nice, but reflect a 70-ton version. The wheelbase is slightly longer.
Eric Hansmann
Media. PA
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 12:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
I agree Tahoe trucks are accurate and great but remember that Accurail also makes this truck for their USRA DS boxcars. It doesn't look bad either.
Fenton
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Andy,
Tahoe Model Works offers the only accurate USRA Andrews truck in HO scale. See attached.
Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
When I recently built a P&LE version of the Tichy kit, I sourced the Proto2000 trucks from eBay as they appeared to most closely resemble the trucks in various prototype photos. It is a great kit to build. If you purchased your kit recently it may not have the template for the side grab irons. Mine didn't. I made my own from thick sheet plastic and it worked. My notes on the build are at
https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/06/here-it-is-middle-of-june-and-i-finally.html and https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/05/port-costa-layout-in-stasis-for-april.html (covers the template)
And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype.
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Ken Adams
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Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
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I never throw away things like grab templates.
Thanks!
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Brian Ehni
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Date: Monday, January 2, 2023 at 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
And what prototype do the Tichy Andrews trucks represent?
When I recently built a P&LE version of the Tichy kit, I sourced the Proto2000 trucks from eBay as they appeared to most closely resemble the trucks in various prototype photos. It is a great kit to build. If you purchased your kit recently it may not have the template for the side grab irons. Mine didn't. I made my own from thick sheet plastic and it worked. My notes on the build are at
https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/06/here-it-is-middle-of-june-and-i-finally.html and https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/05/port-costa-layout-in-stasis-for-april.html (covers the template)
And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype.
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Ken Adams
Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
On Jan 2, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:
And what prototype do the Tichy Andrews trucks represent?
When I recently built a P&LE version of the Tichy kit, I sourced the Proto2000 trucks from eBay as they appeared to most closely resemble the trucks in various prototype photos. It is a great kit to build. If you purchased your kit recently it may not have the template for the side grab irons. Mine didn't. I made my own from thick sheet plastic and it worked. My notes on the build are at
https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/06/here-it-is-middle-of-june-and-i-finally.html and https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/05/port-costa-layout-in-stasis-for-april.html (covers the template)
And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype.
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Ken Adams
Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
1. In the photo that Andy originally posted, those look like straight-up USRA Andrews to me. If it's a rebuilt USRA car, that would seem the simplest explanation for the origin of the trucks.
2. I agree with Brian; the Tahoe MW Andrews is the most accurate and available version of the USRA truck. I would note that Rapido now makes a similarly accurate truck but, to date, it only seems to come with their USRA box-cars. The Rapido 2D-F8 (also nicely done) is available separately, so perhaps the Andrews will be some day as well.
3. Here is a photo that compares the Tahoe (top) and Accurail (bottom) Andrews trucks:
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You can see the "elongation:" of the Accurail (it is on 68 or 69" wheelbase) and it looks a little beefier in the center. The longer wheelbase is consistent with a 70-ton truck, but the Accurail looks NOTHING like the actual 70-ton Andrews:
The Bowser Crown 2E-F2 gets you pretty close the USRA 70-tonner, but there are some measurable differences in side-frame shape and dimensions.
Hope this helps.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV
My suspicion was always that the FtDDM&S rebuilt USRA boxcars were either RI or C&NW, or both.
I have accumulated several photos of them from a variety of sources. This snip comes from FtDDM&S 15040 and the new sides are supported by triangular gussets. The RI purchased/leased some ex-C&NW rebuilds in the 50’s that had triangular gussets.
While Andy’s photo shows clipped rectangular gussets which were common with Rock Island rebuilds in the 134xxx series.
Both the RI and C&NW cars had uneven side panel spacing W-N-N-W-D-W-N-N-W (W=Wider, N=Narrower, D=Door). I think that the Tichy car has even side panel widths.
Also note that both the RI and C&NW cars had a blank panel between the upper and two lower corrugated end panels.
Perhaps TMI.
Happy New Year,
Steve Hile
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 2:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tichy 4028 USRA steel rebuilt box car
Did the Fort Dodge cars come from the P&LE/PMcK&Y? The Tichy kit reflects the rebuild done for the P&LE/PMcK&Y prototypes.
USRA box car rebuilds had differences across owners. Few, if any, were rebuilt in the same way.
Eric Hansmann
Media, PA
On Jan 2, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:
And what prototype do the Tichy Andrews trucks represent?
When I recently built a P&LE version of the Tichy kit, I sourced the Proto2000 trucks from eBay as they appeared to most closely resemble the trucks in various prototype photos. It is a great kit to build. If you purchased your kit recently it may not have the template for the side grab irons. Mine didn't. I made my own from thick sheet plastic and it worked. My notes on the build are at
https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/06/here-it-is-middle-of-june-and-i-finally.html and https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2022/05/port-costa-layout-in-stasis-for-april.html (covers the template)
And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype.
--
Ken Adams
Covid Variants may come and go but I choose to still live mostly in splendid Shelter In Place solitude
Location: About half way up Walnut Creek
Owner PlasticFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype.A bigger problem than the roof is the ends. As Eric mentioned, The Tichy kit models cars P&LE rebuilt from USRA SINGLE SHEATHED boxcars. Those cars had narrower ends than the double sheathed cars, so the small offset typically used to adapt the new sides, shown in all the photos presented so far, wouldn't work. The solution was wide angles riveted to the face of the ends, which Tichy faithfully models. The other issue, also mentioned, is P&LE did not increase the height of their cars, so the ends lack the flat panel spliced between the top two corrugated panels.
Dennis Storzek
On Jan 2, 2023, at 5:28 PM, Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 02:07 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
And we still need to answer the OP's original question about the Tichy kit roof being correct for the Fort Dodge prototype.A bigger problem than the roof is the ends. As Eric mentioned, The Tichy kit models cars P&LE rebuilt from USRA SINGLE SHEATHED boxcars. Those cars had narrower ends than the double sheathed cars, so the small offset typically used to adapt the new sides, shown in all the photos presented so far, wouldn't work. The solution was wide angles riveted to the face of the ends, which Tichy faithfully models. The other issue, also mentioned, is P&LE did not increase the height of their cars, so the ends lack the flat panel spliced between the top two corrugated panels.
Dennis Storzek
