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Bill Gould and The Gould Company
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Dennis Storzek
It's often said by those of us in the industry, and only partially facetiously, that the way to make a small fortune in model railroading... is to start with a large one. Bill Gould simply went on to bigger and better things: https://craftsmanshipmuseum.com/artisan/william-bill-gould/
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Charles Greene
Re the period when The Gould Co. was still producing HO-scale plastic freight car kits (before selling the kit line to Tichy Train Group) I'm pretty sure I remember a standard 40 ft. long gondola with ~4 ft. high side and solid bottom among the cars available. I had a Gould catalog that showed that type car among the others. Don't remember if it was all steel or composite steel/wood. There were many such prototype cars used by the railroads. After Tichy took over the line I noticed the the standard 40 ft. long/4 ft. high solid bottom gondola had been dropped. I asked Tichy about it and was told that there never had been such a kit offered (?). I wish I had purchased a few of those Gould kits because, now, I'm not aware of any company producing a plastic kit for that classic type. I do have one such car I assembled from a Walthers kit (don't think it's available anymore), but the detail falls short of the Gould/Tichy level.
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Benjamin Hom
Charles Greene wrote:
"Re the period when The Gould Co. was still producing HO-scale plastic freight car kits (before selling the kit line to Tichy Train Group) I'm pretty sure I remember a standard 40 ft. long gondola with ~4 ft. high side and solid bottom among the cars available. I had a Gould catalog that showed that type car among the others. Don't remember if it was all steel or composite steel/wood. There were many such prototype cars used by the railroads. After Tichy took over the line I noticed the the standard 40 ft. long/4 ft. high solid bottom gondola had been dropped. I asked Tichy about it and was told that there never had been such a kit offered (?)." This sounds like Tichy #4040, a low side composite gon based on their 40 ft flat car. https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_freight-car-kits/p/4040-low-side-gondola/Default.aspx Ben Hom |
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cptracks
Thank you for this Dennis. I appreciated the Gould kits (still
do) and always wondered what happened. They were a cut above.
When I got back into the hobby I went out of my way to reaquire
the Brownhoist crane and boom car kits. On 2023-01-05 5:08 p.m., Dennis Storzek
via groups.io wrote:
It's often said by those of us in the industry, and only partially facetiously, that the way to make a small fortune in model railroading... is to start with a large one. Bill Gould simply went on to bigger and better things: https://craftsmanshipmuseum.com/artisan/william-bill-gould/ -- Colin Riley |
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Yeh, no 40 foot steel gondola. But there was a hopper car, was there not? A composite ore car of some kind? On 1/6/2023 2:53 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote: Charles Greene wrote: "Re the period when The Gould Co. was still producing HO-scale plastic freight car kits (before selling the kit line to Tichy Train Group) I'm pretty sure I remember a standard 40 ft. long gondola with ~4 ft. high side and solid bottom among the cars available. I had a Gould catalog that showed that type car among the others. Don't remember if it was all steel or composite steel/wood. There were many such prototype cars used by the railroads. After Tichy took over the line I noticed the the standard 40 ft. long/4 ft. high solid bottom gondola had been dropped. I asked Tichy about it and was told that there never had been such a kit offered (?)." This sounds like Tichy #4040, a low side composite gon based on their 40 ft flat car. https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_freight-car-kits/p/4040-low-side-gondola/Default.aspx Ben Hom --
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Dennis Storzek
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 05:22 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Yeh, no 40 foot steel gondola. But there was a hopper car, was there not? A composite ore car of some kind?Tichy kit #4012, still available. These were, IIRC Gould's first kits. Beautiful models unique to an area few model, from an era modeled by fewer still. https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_freight-car-kits/p/4012-ore-cars/Default.aspx Do I remember that the PFE reefer was also a flat kit? Dennis Storzek |
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Joseph
Yes, the R40-4 is a flat kit. The underframe is the “built up” type with applications to other kits. Joe Binish On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 6:19 PM Dennis Storzek via groups.io <soolinehistory=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 05:22 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote: |
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Dean Payne
I built 4 of the ore car kits, they fit together so precisely that I almost thought they could be snap-together kits. I was thoroughly impressed with the precision of the fit, they were a joy to build.
I also built the crane, then decided to dis-assemble it and reconstruct to more closely match a prototype photo of a Wheeling and Lake Erie crane. Dean Payne |
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Dennis Storzek
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 06:28 PM, Joseph wrote:
Yes, the R40-4 is a flat kit. The underframe is the “built up” type with applications to other kits.Thanks Joe. I vaguely recall discussing with Don Tichy, after he bought the line, having Accurate Finishing (Accurail's predecessor) paint and decorate those kits, after all color sells, but the arrangement of the parts on the runners made production painting impossible. If Gould would have foreseen that possibility, he could have grouped the cavities by final color, so the runner simply clipped apart for painting, but he obviously didn't, so that opportunity was lost. Dennis Storzek |
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Huh. Intermountain on some kits included TWO of some runners to overcome the paint color problem. On 1/7/2023 1:57 PM, Dennis Storzek via groups.io wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 06:28 PM, Joseph wrote: --
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Andy Carlson
Flat kits for painted sales. Terry Wegmann designed his PFE R-40-18 reefer to be builder friendly for painting purposes. From the 1940s up until sometime in the 50s, PFE used what Terry called the "Black Hardware" paint scheme. The top of the sides had a fascia which joined at its edge with the roof's bottom edge. So Terry cut the roof tooling to have this fascia cast integrally with the roof. The car sides terminated at top just below where the fascia would be. This allowed the roof and ends to be painted on the sprues with zero masking. Later, Terry wanted to offer the later 1950s "Orange Hardware" scheme, which was as the name implied all orange, hardware and fascia included. Terry made an insert for the car side to add the fascia. He also made a blank insert for the roof mold, removing the previously added fascia. This way the fascia on the car side allowed it to be painted orange along with the sides. The now fascia-free roof could get the customary PFE brown color without having a fascia to contend with. This is what good engineering can provide from a toolmaker who is also an ardent PFE modeler. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA Huh. Intermountain on some kits included TWO of some runners to overcome the paint color problem. On 1/7/2023 1:57 PM, Dennis Storzek via groups.io wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at
06:28 PM, Joseph wrote: Yes, the R40-4 is a flat kit. The underframe is the “built up” type with applications to other kits.Thanks Joe. I vaguely recall discussing with Don Tichy, after he bought the line, having Accurate Finishing (Accurail's predecessor) paint and decorate those kits, after all color sells, but the arrangement of the parts on the runners made production painting impossible. If Gould would have foreseen that possibility, he could have grouped the cavities by final color, so the runner simply clipped apart for painting, but he obviously didn't, so that opportunity was lost. Dennis Storzek -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts _._,_._,_ |
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Charles Greene
No, Tichy kit #4040 isn't the one I'm referencing. That does, indeed, have low sides. The one I have in mind had 4 ft.-high sides like the prototype built in great numbers and used by many railroads. If I had only saved (!) that Gould catalog I could provide the kit number. Anyway, that kit is long gone. Anybody know of a current kit for that common-design gondola?
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Benjamin Hom
Charles Greene wrote:
"No, Tichy kit #4040 isn't the one I'm referencing. That does, indeed, have low sides. The one I have in mind had 4 ft.-high sides like the prototype built in great numbers and used by many railroads. <<snip>> Anybody know of a current kit for that common-design gondola?" That sounds like the low-sided gon done in resin by Funaro and offered in injection-molded plastic by Ertl (though "common-design gon with great numbers and used by many railroads" doesn't really fit any low sided gon). Scan of Ertl catalog pulled from the HO Seeker website. Ben Hom |
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Are you thinking of the Accurail gondola? Charles Weston
On Saturday, January 7, 2023, 07:43:35 PM CST, Charles Greene <greenec1144@...> wrote:
No, Tichy kit #4040 isn't the one I'm referencing. That does, indeed, have low sides. The one I have in mind had 4 ft.-high sides like the prototype built in great numbers and used by many railroads. If I had only saved (!) that Gould catalog I could provide the kit number. Anyway, that kit is long gone. Anybody know of a current kit for that common-design gondola?
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Thinking of something that may have been like this model?
https://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/S-gondolas.html -- Ted Larson trainweb.org/mhrr/ -------- NASG.org -------- https://www.nasg.org/Clubs/RegionsMinnesota.php GN in 1965 |
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Benjamin Hom
Ted Larson wrote:
"Thinking of something that may have been like this model? https://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/S-gondolas.html My thoughts exactly. See my post #197949 of 7 January. Ben Hom |
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Kenneth Montero
Ertl Collectibles issued a similar HO car as a ready-to-run item. Discontinued long ago.
Here is one being sold through Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325450445089
Ken Montero
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