ScaleTrains HO Scale PFE Reefer Kit
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Dick Harley already commented on the original MTH offering: “While MTH markets this car as a "40' Steel Sided Reefer Car" and letters it as a class R-40-23 car, it is really a pretty good model of a plywood sided R-30/40-24 with a built-up underframe.” |
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It should have an early diagonal panel SRE roof. Does it ? On 1/7/2023 1:40 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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David
The MTH car had a rectangular-panel roof. IIRC the diagonal-panel SRE roof was a running change during -24 production.
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Tony Thompson
Correct. Only the last 200 cars got the DPR.
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Tony Thompson On Jan 7, 2023, at 4:06 PM, David via groups.io <jaydeet2001@...> wrote: |
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Bruce Hendrick
Can anyone determine if the ScaleTrain kits are correctly numbered for the type of roof offered? Thanks.
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On Saturday, January 7, 2023, 5:13 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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B.L. Griffith
Per the chart on page 157 of Pacific Fruit Express Second Edition; R-40-24 numbered 65921-68532. Scale Trains preorder signup lists car numbers 66123, 67046, 67412 being offered. Subtracting the last 200 per Tony’s instruction above gives us a low car number of 68332 IF the cars were numbered in sequence as they were finished. As Tony is one of the authors of the PFE book, maybe he can offer more info on this. |
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Bruce Hendrick
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David
Ah ! Yes, I looked at some more photos and indeed two different roofs were applied to the R-40-24. So it depends on the car number. Also, not all R-40-24's got plywood sides. On 1/7/2023 4:06 PM, David via groups.io wrote: The MTH car had a rectangular-panel roof. IIRC the diagonal-panel SRE roof was a running change during -24 production. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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My photos agree with Bruce -- I have a shot of 68400 roof with DP roof. Also 68245, 68428, and 68431 all have tongue in groove wood sheathing, rather than plywood. I think some of these cars ran until the end of ice service. On 1/8/2023 4:43 AM, B.L. Griffith wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Chris Barkan
I saw the new (to ScaleTrains.com) reefers at the Prototype Rails show last week and took the attached photo of them. Unfortunately, I was unaware of the roof question at the time so my photo is from the wrong angle for that. You can see the underframe though. The photo and renderings on the their website indicate a rectangular panel roof (see attached).
Tony Thompson and others on this list were also there so perhaps one of them took a look and can verify or revise. It is not evident to me that this car has much to offer us unless ScaleTrains plans to substantially upgrade the details per their Rivet Counter Line. -- Chris Barkan Deerfield, MA |
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What caboose is that?
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone) On Jan 8, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
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I know some R-40-24 reefers had expanded metal running boards (Transco? Gypsum?) but the model appears to have grid-style running boards (Apex et al). Just another factoid to be aware of. :-) On 1/8/2023 3:06 PM, Chris Barkan wrote: I saw the new (to ScaleTrains.com) reefers at the Prototype Rails show last week and took the attached photo of them. Unfortunately, I was unaware of the roof question at the time so my photo is from the wrong angle for that. You can see the underframe though. The photo and renderings on the their website indicate a rectangular panel roof (see attached). --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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As I understand, these transition era freight cars although new to the Scale Trains line were cars previously made for Mike's Train House.
In the particular case of the PFE reefer, MTH had called it an R-40-23 and numbered it as such, I know, as I updated the one I got to change the car number. Scale Trains can be commended for getting a better series of numbers on their versions. I doubt that they will ever make "Rivet Counter" versions of these cars, however.
Steve Hile -----Original Message-----
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Jan 8, 2023 2:06 PM To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ScaleTrains HO Scale PFE Reefer Kit I saw the new (to ScaleTrains.com) reefers at the Prototype Rails show last week and took the attached photo of them. Unfortunately, I was unaware of the roof question at the time so my photo is from the wrong angle for that. You can see the underframe though. The photo and renderings on the their website indicate a rectangular panel roof (see attached). Tony Thompson and others on this list were also there so perhaps one of them took a look and can verify or revise. It is not evident to me that this car has much to offer us unless ScaleTrains plans to substantially upgrade the details per their Rivet Counter Line. -- Chris Barkan Deerfield, MA
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The ubiquitous Santa Fe caboose. Sigh...
I did not photograph it directly.
Steve Hile -----Original Message-----
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Jan 8, 2023 2:11 PM To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ScaleTrains HO Scale PFE Reefer Kit What caboose is that? Thanks!
Brian Ehni
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On Jan 8, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Chris Barkan <cplbarkan@...> wrote:
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B.L. Griffith
More excerpts from the PFE book, pages 145-148; page 145 “The material specifications in the shop orders for rebuilding of the -24 class specify “Harborite” exterior plywood for car sides. The old underframe, whether a 30-ton or 40-ton underframe, was reused, as on earlier rebuilds.” page 148; ”After 1955, the plywood was no longer repaired, but instead the entire car side was re-sheathed with T&G siding.” “The number of cars which received T&G replacement siding is not known,” I guess the bottom line is if I buy one and later find photo verification that the makeup of that specific car is wrong, I’ll have to change the number to one that is correct or not worry about it. |
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Right! I forgot there were R-30-24's as well as R-40-24's. I have equal numbers of pictures of each and they seemed to have lasted equally long. On 1/8/2023 6:51 PM, B.L. Griffith wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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