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Trust Plate - The Real Deal
Alex,
Most of the plates were riveted on. I would be careful about pounding them out. It's easy to break off the corner of the plate. Drilling would be safer. Mark |
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Philip Dove
Ah! I see, in the UK for some reason brass plates weren't generally stolen until the final years of steam engines when some got stolen, but the names being unique made them rather obvious. Other brass plates were melted down in the world wars and replaced with base metal plates. Has no one considered etching their own plates. John Wright drew plans a complete fire escape by hand then used an etching kit, meant for making printed circuit boards, to etch the parts in brass, surely people can etch them for themselves if bothered. In the UK some scratch builders have etched their own plates to go on 1/76th and 1/43rd scale models. |
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Alex Schneider
A railroad cop in Chicago tried to make a few bucks stealing wire from a Commonwealth Edison circuit supplying lights in an abandoned yard. At the end of his career he was briefly a conductor.
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Alex Schneider From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Doggett via groups.io <paul.doggett2472@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:23:36 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Trust Plate - The Real Deal Nowadays we have exactly the same problem over here in the U.K. unfortunately.
Paul Doggett. England 🏴
On 8 Jan 2023, at 19:10, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:
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Paul Doggett
Nowadays we have exactly the same problem over here in the U.K. unfortunately.
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Paul Doggett. England 🏴 On 8 Jan 2023, at 19:10, lrkdbn via groups.io <lrkdbn@...> wrote:
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lrkdbn
I think what Dennis means is that we here in the USA have a big problem with non ferrous metal thieves.
This is nothing new, I recall reading about the problems the NYC&HR RR had with copper thieves back when they first electrified in New York in 1906. Larry King |
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Philip Dove
I don't know whether the studs were bolts or rivets. I suppose that they might just have used self tapping screws but l have never heard of this. The plate is most unlikely to be threaded even if the bolt was, because the plate needs to be clamped tightly between the head of the fastener and the car side. In similar circumstances with cast iron or steel plates I first clean the plate with scrapers and wire brushes which might loosen the fasteners. High localized heat might loosen the fastener. If you are knocking the fastener. Support the plate well with the fastener over a hole that is slighter bigger diameter that the. Fastener. Hammer onto a stick or dowel. The fastener usually comes out. Years ago l collected over a 100 cast plates off British freigh cars. Some taken off the car side. If the plate is aluminium be careful using heat. If it is plastic just ignore every thing l've said. |
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Philip Dove
A brass plate would be an uneccessary expense, why anyone thinks it would only last a year l don't know. British steam locomotives had often had brass builders plates, also sometime nameplates and number plates, they lasted as long and longer than the locomotive. A genuine brass plate off a locomotive can be identified by the rust and paint deeply ingrained into the back where it was fastened to the locomotive. |
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Alex Schneider
Were those attached with bolts or rivets? I have a plate with all four holes blocked with metal, cut flush, and I am uncertain whether to pound it out or use a screw extractor.
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Alex Schneider From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2023 6:18:26 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Trust Plate - The Real Deal Mark,
being of iron, with the given measurements 5-1/2" x 12-1/2" the plate must have a thickness of almost 2" to weigh 32 pounds, considering a proper recession around the raised letters maybe even a full 2". Is that the case?
Thanks and regards
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 07. Januar 2023 um 23:34 Uhr
Von: "Dennis Storzek via groups.io" <soolinehistory@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Trust Plate - The Real Deal On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 04:16 PM, Mark Rossiter wrote:
In case anyone wants to see a real NYC trust plate from 1957, here is one a friend gave me a few years ago. It measures 5-1/2” x 12-1/2” and just to reinforce the idea that everything in the railroad world is big, it weighs almost 32 pounds!And they're cast iron, not brass. Brass plates wouldn't likely last a year, much less the life of the trust agreement. Dennis Storzek |
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vapeurchapelon
Mark,
being of iron, with the given measurements 5-1/2" x 12-1/2" the plate must have a thickness of almost 2" to weigh 32 pounds, considering a proper recession around the raised letters maybe even a full 2". Is that the case?
Thanks and regards
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 07. Januar 2023 um 23:34 Uhr
Von: "Dennis Storzek via groups.io" <soolinehistory@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Trust Plate - The Real Deal On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 04:16 PM, Mark Rossiter wrote:
In case anyone wants to see a real NYC trust plate from 1957, here is one a friend gave me a few years ago. It measures 5-1/2” x 12-1/2” and just to reinforce the idea that everything in the railroad world is big, it weighs almost 32 pounds!And they're cast iron, not brass. Brass plates wouldn't likely last a year, much less the life of the trust agreement. Dennis Storzek |
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Dennis Storzek
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 04:16 PM, Mark Rossiter wrote:
In case anyone wants to see a real NYC trust plate from 1957, here is one a friend gave me a few years ago. It measures 5-1/2” x 12-1/2” and just to reinforce the idea that everything in the railroad world is big, it weighs almost 32 pounds!And they're cast iron, not brass. Brass plates wouldn't likely last a year, much less the life of the trust agreement. Dennis Storzek |
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Mark Rossiter
In case anyone wants to see a real NYC trust plate from 1957, here is one a friend gave me a few years ago. It measures 5-1/2” x 12-1/2” and just to reinforce the idea that everything in the railroad world is big, it weighs almost 32 pounds!
Mark Rossiter
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