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Looking for 7 panel superior doors for CNW 10' 6" War Emergency boxcar Sunshine kit

Tim O'Connor
 


looks great Chuck ! :-)

On 1/30/2023 6:43 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:

A followup on this thread.  Tim O'Connor kindly supplied me with the doors that I was looking for.  I have posted the finished version of the build.  Thanks to all who responded and helped with this project.
The car is now operating on my layout.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done, I like the weathering especially the viking roof
Fenton

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 1:34 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

RE: Do you have a photo showing how you did the roof?

 

Hi Scott,

 

I have attached a couple of photos of the roof.  I did not do anything different with the roof than I do with most boxcars.  I am a PRR guy so I don’t know a whole bunch about the CNW and the Sunshine information indicated that the cars were red/brown color for the entire car.  I weather all of my models using washes of artists acrylic paints.  For this CNW car, since it was built only 10 years before the years that I model, early 1950s, I tried to fade the FCC on the roof while adding a bit more black to represent dirt and soot.  You can see that the roof looks a little different than the sides and ends.

 

Sorry that I could not be more helpful.  Good luck with your kit-bash.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM



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Fenton Wells
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Chuck Cover
 

RE: Do you have a photo showing how you did the roof?

 

Hi Scott,

 

I have attached a couple of photos of the roof.  I did not do anything different with the roof than I do with most boxcars.  I am a PRR guy so I don’t know a whole bunch about the CNW and the Sunshine information indicated that the cars were red/brown color for the entire car.  I weather all of my models using washes of artists acrylic paints.  For this CNW car, since it was built only 10 years before the years that I model, early 1950s, I tried to fade the FCC on the roof while adding a bit more black to represent dirt and soot.  You can see that the roof looks a little different than the sides and ends.

 

Sorry that I could not be more helpful.  Good luck with your kit-bash.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Paul Doggett
 

A great looking model Chuck.

Paul Doggett       England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 31 Jan 2023, at 00:22, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

One very nice looking build. 
Fenton 


On Jan 30, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


A followup on this thread.  Tim O'Connor kindly supplied me with the doors that I was looking for.  I have posted the finished version of the build.  Thanks to all who responded and helped with this project.
The car is now operating on my layout.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
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Scott H. Haycock
 

Great model, Chuck.

Do you have a photo showing how you did the roof? I'm building a similar car using the IM kit, and the roofs on these cars were painted with galvanized paint, so I would think they would weather differently than a car built with galvanized steel panels, then painted.


Scott Haycock

On 01/30/2023 4:43 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


A followup on this thread.  Tim O'Connor kindly supplied me with the doors that I was looking for.  I have posted the finished version of the build.  Thanks to all who responded and helped with this project.
The car is now operating on my layout.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

O Fenton Wells
 

One very nice looking build. 
Fenton 


On Jan 30, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


A followup on this thread.  Tim O'Connor kindly supplied me with the doors that I was looking for.  I have posted the finished version of the build.  Thanks to all who responded and helped with this project.
The car is now operating on my layout.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM
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Chuck Cover
 

A followup on this thread.  Tim O'Connor kindly supplied me with the doors that I was looking for.  I have posted the finished version of the build.  Thanks to all who responded and helped with this project.
The car is now operating on my layout.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Tim O'Connor
 


Or just use a 10-6 door, and cut 3" off and patch with styrene.

On 1/14/2023 6:13 PM, Allan Smith wrote:

I went into the train room and measured all the Superior doors in my spare parts. They include Kadee, IM, Proto 2000, CB&T, Branchline and Southwest scale, none of them measure at 10'3" tall. Thats why I mentioned scratch building.


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Jeffrey White
 

Scratchbuilt doors in this video that popped up in my YouTube feed last night. 

https://youtu.be/5qsr5zWq8BM

The don't look too bad. 

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 1/14/2023 7:14 PM, Allan Smith wrote:

Attached is a PDF file showing the door.Although it is a NKP car they are the same.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:51:54 PM PST, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Thanks Allan and Tim for the responses.  Part of the reason that this group is so great for me is that the discussion brings up issues that were not even thought about by me when I posted the question.  I went back and looked at prototype photos of the CNW Superior door boxcar and it appears that the door has a slightly wider panel at the very bottom which I had not thought about before I posed the question.  I suppose that I could scratch build an acceptable door.  I was hoping for a commercial Superior door to fit the bill, but the chances of one with a wider bottom panel is slim, although bashing a wider bottom panel is also a possibility.

 

I think maybe the best outcome for me would be to swap with someone who has the similar kit but wants the Youngstown door which comes with my kit.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Scott H. Haycock
 

Chuck,

The undecorated Intermountain kit has these doors in it, but I can't say whether they will fit the Sunshine kit.

I'm sure I have a set of those doors. I can access them next week and get them to you. Let me know. 

Scott Haycock

On 01/14/2023 6:14 PM Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:



Attached is a PDF file showing the door.Although it is a NKP car they are the same.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:51:54 PM PST, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Thanks Allan and Tim for the responses.  Part of the reason that this group is so great for me is that the discussion brings up issues that were not even thought about by me when I posted the question.  I went back and looked at prototype photos of the CNW Superior door boxcar and it appears that the door has a slightly wider panel at the very bottom which I had not thought about before I posed the question.  I suppose that I could scratch build an acceptable door.  I was hoping for a commercial Superior door to fit the bill, but the chances of one with a wider bottom panel is slim, although bashing a wider bottom panel is also a possibility.


I think maybe the best outcome for me would be to swap with someone who has the similar kit but wants the Youngstown door which comes with my kit.


Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

Attached is a PDF file showing the door.Although it is a NKP car they are the same.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 12:51:54 PM PST, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Thanks Allan and Tim for the responses.  Part of the reason that this group is so great for me is that the discussion brings up issues that were not even thought about by me when I posted the question.  I went back and looked at prototype photos of the CNW Superior door boxcar and it appears that the door has a slightly wider panel at the very bottom which I had not thought about before I posed the question.  I suppose that I could scratch build an acceptable door.  I was hoping for a commercial Superior door to fit the bill, but the chances of one with a wider bottom panel is slim, although bashing a wider bottom panel is also a possibility.

 

I think maybe the best outcome for me would be to swap with someone who has the similar kit but wants the Youngstown door which comes with my kit.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

PDF
8000-8199.pdf

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

I went into the train room and measured all the Superior doors in my spare parts. They include Kadee, IM, Proto 2000, CB&T, Branchline and Southwest scale, none of them measure at 10'3" tall. Thats why I mentioned scratch building.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 10:29:13 AM PST, Allan Smith <smithal9@...> wrote:


Try southwest scale models. I think they have what you are looking for. 

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 10:04:36 AM PST, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


I am building Sunshine kit #29.12, however, this kit comes with Youngstown doors.  I wish to build the car with 7 Panel Superior doors to represent a different series of the boxcar.  The Youngstown doors in the kit measure 10' 3" height, 6' 3" width.  I have looked for 7 panel superior doors on line, however, most ads do not give the door dimensions.  Does anyone know if any of the commercial offerings, Kadee, Accurail, IM, DA, etc. have a door that I could use?  The other option is if someone had the Sunshine kit #29.13, this is the CNW boxcar with the Superior doors.  If you were interested in building the car with Youngstown doors, we could trade.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Chuck Cover
 

Thanks Allan and Tim for the responses.  Part of the reason that this group is so great for me is that the discussion brings up issues that were not even thought about by me when I posted the question.  I went back and looked at prototype photos of the CNW Superior door boxcar and it appears that the door has a slightly wider panel at the very bottom which I had not thought about before I posed the question.  I suppose that I could scratch build an acceptable door.  I was hoping for a commercial Superior door to fit the bill, but the chances of one with a wider bottom panel is slim, although bashing a wider bottom panel is also a possibility.

 

I think maybe the best outcome for me would be to swap with someone who has the similar kit but wants the Youngstown door which comes with my kit.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

The car is not finished. I am in a holding mode because of my wifes illness. I am just getting back into modeling and one of the first cars to finish is the one in the photo.I have to add running boards door hardware and other minor details.  I will post photos when painted.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:40:40 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Allan, not to criticize your work in any way, but there are subtle details missing from the styrene strip
model - not to mention door locking hardware. So it makes sense to find out if there is a pre-made model
that is exactly right first, before building one's own approximation of the door.

On 1/14/2023 2:32 PM, Allan Smith wrote:
Why not build your own doors? They can be built usinf evergreen strips and door hardware from old doors in the scrap box. See photo attached of a Superior door for an EJ&E Boxcar.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Chuck
I just measured a bunch of doors -- many are 6-3 width, but none are 10-3 in height!
My Southwest Scale "10 foot" doors are all 10-0 in height and 6-3 in width.
Also, 7 panel Superior doors came with different panel spacings -- Southwest makes two.
I think there may be more prototype variants.

On 1/14/2023 1:04 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:
I am building Sunshine kit #29.12, however, this kit comes with Youngstown doors.  I wish to build the car with 7 Panel Superior doors to represent a different series of the boxcar.  The Youngstown doors in the kit measure 10' 3" height, 6' 3" width.  I have looked for 7 panel superior doors on line, however, most ads do not give the door dimensions.  Does anyone know if any of the commercial offerings, Kadee, Accurail, IM, DA, etc. have a door that I could use?  The other option is if someone had the Sunshine kit #29.13, this is the CNW boxcar with the Superior doors.  If you were interested in building the car with Youngstown doors, we could trade.
Thanks
Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim O'Connor
 


Allan, not to criticize your work in any way, but there are subtle details missing from the styrene strip
model - not to mention door locking hardware. So it makes sense to find out if there is a pre-made model
that is exactly right first, before building one's own approximation of the door.

On 1/14/2023 2:32 PM, Allan Smith wrote:

Why not build your own doors? They can be built usinf evergreen strips and door hardware from old doors in the scrap box. See photo attached of a Superior door for an EJ&E Boxcar.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Chuck
I just measured a bunch of doors -- many are 6-3 width, but none are 10-3 in height!
My Southwest Scale "10 foot" doors are all 10-0 in height and 6-3 in width.
Also, 7 panel Superior doors came with different panel spacings -- Southwest makes two.
I think there may be more prototype variants.

On 1/14/2023 1:04 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:
I am building Sunshine kit #29.12, however, this kit comes with Youngstown doors.  I wish to build the car with 7 Panel Superior doors to represent a different series of the boxcar.  The Youngstown doors in the kit measure 10' 3" height, 6' 3" width.  I have looked for 7 panel superior doors on line, however, most ads do not give the door dimensions.  Does anyone know if any of the commercial offerings, Kadee, Accurail, IM, DA, etc. have a door that I could use?  The other option is if someone had the Sunshine kit #29.13, this is the CNW boxcar with the Superior doors.  If you were interested in building the car with Youngstown doors, we could trade.
Thanks
Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

Why not build your own doors? They can be built usinf evergreen strips and door hardware from old doors in the scrap box. See photo attached of a Superior door for an EJ&E Boxcar.

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 10:49:29 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Chuck

I just measured a bunch of doors -- many are 6-3 width, but none are 10-3 in height!
My Southwest Scale "10 foot" doors are all 10-0 in height and 6-3 in width.

Also, 7 panel Superior doors came with different panel spacings -- Southwest makes two.
I think there may be more prototype variants.


On 1/14/2023 1:04 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:
I am building Sunshine kit #29.12, however, this kit comes with Youngstown doors.  I wish to build the car with 7 Panel Superior doors to represent a different series of the boxcar.  The Youngstown doors in the kit measure 10' 3" height, 6' 3" width.  I have looked for 7 panel superior doors on line, however, most ads do not give the door dimensions.  Does anyone know if any of the commercial offerings, Kadee, Accurail, IM, DA, etc. have a door that I could use?  The other option is if someone had the Sunshine kit #29.13, this is the CNW boxcar with the Superior doors.  If you were interested in building the car with Youngstown doors, we could trade.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck

I just measured a bunch of doors -- many are 6-3 width, but none are 10-3 in height!
My Southwest Scale "10 foot" doors are all 10-0 in height and 6-3 in width.

Also, 7 panel Superior doors came with different panel spacings -- Southwest makes two.
I think there may be more prototype variants.


On 1/14/2023 1:04 PM, Chuck Cover wrote:

I am building Sunshine kit #29.12, however, this kit comes with Youngstown doors.  I wish to build the car with 7 Panel Superior doors to represent a different series of the boxcar.  The Youngstown doors in the kit measure 10' 3" height, 6' 3" width.  I have looked for 7 panel superior doors on line, however, most ads do not give the door dimensions.  Does anyone know if any of the commercial offerings, Kadee, Accurail, IM, DA, etc. have a door that I could use?  The other option is if someone had the Sunshine kit #29.13, this is the CNW boxcar with the Superior doors.  If you were interested in building the car with Youngstown doors, we could trade.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

Try southwest scale models. I think they have what you are looking for. 

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 10:04:36 AM PST, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


I am building Sunshine kit #29.12, however, this kit comes with Youngstown doors.  I wish to build the car with 7 Panel Superior doors to represent a different series of the boxcar.  The Youngstown doors in the kit measure 10' 3" height, 6' 3" width.  I have looked for 7 panel superior doors on line, however, most ads do not give the door dimensions.  Does anyone know if any of the commercial offerings, Kadee, Accurail, IM, DA, etc. have a door that I could use?  The other option is if someone had the Sunshine kit #29.13, this is the CNW boxcar with the Superior doors.  If you were interested in building the car with Youngstown doors, we could trade.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Chuck Cover
 

I am building Sunshine kit #29.12, however, this kit comes with Youngstown doors.  I wish to build the car with 7 Panel Superior doors to represent a different series of the boxcar.  The Youngstown doors in the kit measure 10' 3" height, 6' 3" width.  I have looked for 7 panel superior doors on line, however, most ads do not give the door dimensions.  Does anyone know if any of the commercial offerings, Kadee, Accurail, IM, DA, etc. have a door that I could use?  The other option is if someone had the Sunshine kit #29.13, this is the CNW boxcar with the Superior doors.  If you were interested in building the car with Youngstown doors, we could trade.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

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