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Does anyone recognize the
box car with the highly unusual end in the middle of this photo ?
(Above the PRR box) The photo is from 1961 and the car appears to be recently painted. Location is GN's yard in Spokane, Washington. A late 1950's to 1961 rebuild of something, is my best guess. I can't tell whether the roof is unusual or not (flat panels?), but the end is definitely weird! -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Ted Culotta
Hello Tim,
It's one of the L&N's rebuilds from their ARA-design single sheathed box cars. Cheers, Ted |
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Thank you Ted! Is this (attached) also one of those cars? Do you know of any good photos out there? Although the end on the "ARA" rebuild seems different to me but maybe it's just the light & shadow :-\ On 1/14/2023 3:39 PM, Ted Culotta wrote: Hello Tim, --
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Barry Bennett
Here is one with a view of the B End. Barry Bennett North Hykeham,England. On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 21:30, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Hi Tim,
Thanks for posting this great color image, If it was a cab-forward going by I'd use it as my screen saver image. This L&N 10' rebuild was done by Martin in his 64.xx series of kits. The L&N ones are 64.10 thru 64.13, at least. I only did a quick search. There are 2 photos in the PDF, the one posted by Barry is a better print than the cropped image in the PDF and another, both credited to Bill Welch's collection. This thread brings us back to the question originally asked by Benjamin Scanlon on the significance of the P&LE Gould kit. While the P&LE kit was an easy to tool add-on option to the Gould line, Martin's 64.xx series shows why the various steel side rebuilds are so cool to model. The various road rebuilds done by Martin are all different and to tool them in a plastic line does is not realistic. I've built 2 or 3 from my stash but there are many more to complete, including this L&N rebuild. Regards, Dan Smith |
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I did ask another question, about the 3-7-8 end cars, and whether there were many *visible* differences between the L&N and Wabash rebuilds, seeing as they had very similar ends, I think the same doors, rectangular panel roofs, same number of side panels and so on. (I know the Wabash cars were not rebuilt from 1924 ARA cars, but I am no expert on details like door gear and brakes and so on.)
I believe one key difference would be that the L&N ARA rebuilds were 10' IH as they were a 1937 AAR equivalent, whereas I think I dragged up a comment from somewhere on this list that the Wabash cars were 10'4" IH. Anyway, here are a couple of photos of the L&N rebuilds I've found over the years. Ben Scanlon Tottenham, England |
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Ted Culotta
Ben- I think you could reasonably use the L&N end to get you where you need to go with the Wabash car. You may have to tweak things slightly. Bonus is if you can score one of the Sunshine L&N kits with the Dreadnaught ends, it includes the 3/7/8 Murphy end, too, giving you two projects for the price of one (well, you will need a body, etc. for the second project, but the hard part would be taken care of) Cheers, Ted Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media |
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Eric Hansmann
I think the bolster distance is different on these two cars. The L&N trucks seem to be set a bit closer to the car ends compared to other rebuilds. I know this was a feature of the original 1923 ARA car designs.
Eric Hansmann
Media, PA
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Benjamin Scanlon
Good point Eric. Another thing I am not always aware of.
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At one time I had 5 of the 64.x kits but I think I've sold some or all. But no L&N cars. I have held onto other rebuilds the SSW rebuilds in particular. Do you think a "Tangent" USRA DS rebuild would be possible? I guess it would require multiple sides, multiple ends, and multiple roofs -- but just one underframe, right? :-) I bet they would sell like hotcakes though! RTR is becoming remarkably good. :-D On 1/14/2023 6:27 PM, Dan Smith wrote: Hi Tim, --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Sorry, I meant that to go to Dan. On 1/15/2023 1:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Benjamin Scanlon
Thank you Ted. I model TT but do have some 1937 AAR sides & rectangular panel roofs which could be used - along with some UK made corrugated styrene which is right for the end pressings.
Cheers, -- Ben Scanlon Tottenham, England |
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