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daylight between gon side boards

ed_mines
 

I can only recall seeing a photo of a wood side gon showing daylight between the boards once besides the photo below.
Any comments?

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Dennis Storzek
 

I can only recall seeing a photo of a wood side gon showing daylight between the boards once besides the photo below.

It looks like it was done in the darkroom when the car was "loaded".

Dennis Storzek

 
Dave Parker
 

I'm with Dennis; it's "photo-shopped", and I think we covered this before.

The MCB/ARA lumber standards for "outside-framed" cars called for T&G siding.  Presumably this applied equally to hopper and gons as well as box-cars.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
ed_mines
 

I don't think T&G joints were always reliable. 

Yes, the photo is probably photo-shopped.
 
I've seen a photo of a car with a daylight gap that I think is real. I've seen 1000s of freight car photos over 40 years so the condition must be rare.


 
ed_mines
 

here's an example of T&G failing.

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Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 03:41 PM, ed_mines wrote:
I don't think T&G joints were always reliable. 

Yes, the photo is probably photo-shopped.
 
I've seen a photo of a car with a daylight gap that I think is real. I've seen 1000s of freight car photos over 40 years so the condition must be rare.

There was an alternate lumber section in the ARA standard lumber drawings, shiplap. Shiplap has a notch one half the width of the edge into which the mating edge fits. Since gons take such a beating when loaded with scrap or riprap, I could see the lap edge breaking off allowing light to show through, but it's a rare occurrence.



Dennis Storzek
Dave Parker
 

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 02:16 PM, ed_mines wrote:
here's an example of T&G failing.
Assuming you are talking about the roof boards, I would argue that it's most probably an inside metal roof whose functionality is not altered by those gaps; to a great degree they are cosmetic.

Such failure in car siding, however, would allow payload to leak out and/or weather to creep in.  Which is why finding a photo of T&G (or lap) siding with daylight showing through seems to me beyond rare.

If you have a photos of such failure in siding, please share.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Eric Hansmann
 

Attached is an image of an CI&S box car with a couple boards covering damage behind the end grab iron ladder.
 
I know I have a few more images illustrating quick fixes like this, but they are few and far between.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Media, PA
 
 
 
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 02:16 PM, ed_mines wrote:
here's an example of T&G failing.
Assuming you are talking about the roof boards, I would argue that it's most probably an inside metal roof whose functionality is not altered by those gaps; to a great degree they are cosmetic.

Such failure in car siding, however, would allow payload to leak out and/or weather to creep in.  Which is why finding a photo of T&G (or lap) siding with daylight showing through seems to me beyond rare.

If you have a photos of such failure in siding, please share.
 
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

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Philip Dove
 

If the board had got a gap it would show the opposite side of the gondola and would be darker. Therefore l feel sure it is not a gap in the planking. 
Had the grasshopper just flown down and landed on the gondola? Or is it a load? How would it be secured? Ropes would crush or mark it. Perhaps they covered it with a tarpaulin? 
Doug Chapman
 

Here are some photos showing damage on the end of a T&OC box car.  It looks like tarpaper was used to cover the damage.

Doug Chapman
Dallas, PA

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