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MILW 79003 Tankcar
nyc3001 .
I think this is an AC&F Type 17 10k tank car.
There is no accurate model for it as far as I know. If F&C made patterns for a 10k Type 11 tank (which was planned over 10 years ago according to the Essential Freight Cars article about the 8k Type 11) it would be easy to convert to a Type 17 by doubling the vertical rivet lines.
-Phil Lee
There is no accurate model for it as far as I know. If F&C made patterns for a 10k Type 11 tank (which was planned over 10 years ago according to the Essential Freight Cars article about the 8k Type 11) it would be easy to convert to a Type 17 by doubling the vertical rivet lines.
-Phil Lee
Dave Parker
I agree with Phil about the likely identity of the car.
Not sure about the modeling possibility. Even if the F&C frame was right length, you'd be looking at fabbing a new tank to get to 10,000 gallons.
If you have Ted's SEFCRM Vol 2, check out BFX 1120 on p. 15. I think it matches your photo. Note the somewhat trapezoidal end sill common to the Type 11s and "Type 17s". Once ACF started building MCB Class III cars, that frame didn't last long as they started to transition to what became the Type 21s.
Hope this helps.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Not sure about the modeling possibility. Even if the F&C frame was right length, you'd be looking at fabbing a new tank to get to 10,000 gallons.
If you have Ted's SEFCRM Vol 2, check out BFX 1120 on p. 15. I think it matches your photo. Note the somewhat trapezoidal end sill common to the Type 11s and "Type 17s". Once ACF started building MCB Class III cars, that frame didn't last long as they started to transition to what became the Type 21s.
Hope this helps.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Dave Parker
On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 04:03 PM, nyc3001 . wrote:
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
iirc Ted's EFC article stated that a 10k Type 11 was planned for the future as well as a reworked version of the 8k Type 11. The Funaro kit has some shortcomings (like a dome which is too small), which caused Ted to scratchbuild a new tank for the 8K Type 11 anyway.I don't disagree, but I think if Steve was going to ever improve upon his "Type 2" (sic) model, he would have done so by now. If your are willing to scratch an entire tank (like Ted did), you could model quite a few things. I wouldn't mind a Type 17 on my layout, but it's not enough of a priority to make that kind of time investment. Now, a Penn Tank Car Co model OTOH....
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA
Ryan
I can't quite tell on that one, but I'm pretty sure this one is an ACF Type 21 as produced by Proto 2000
(now Walthers). It's smaller ~8,000 gallons.
On 2/4/2023 6:09 PM, Ryan Reed wrote:
I can't quite tell on that one, but I'm pretty sure this one is an ACF Type 21 as produced by Proto 2000
(now Walthers). It's smaller ~8,000 gallons.
On 2/4/2023 6:09 PM, Ryan Reed wrote:
Does anyone have a suggestion what might be the best model to build this tankcar? It's 10,000 gallon and 31' 9" long.
I'm admittedly not the best tankcar guy...
Ryan Reed
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
TTIX 1012
This car has been identified (for me) as a Type 17, at least originally. This is circa 1958 so
it could have been altered by this date (sometimes tanks were mounted onto newer frames)
On 2/5/2023 2:20 AM, hockenheim68 via groups.io wrote:
Are Type 17 drawings in one of the MCB?
Andrew Hutchinson
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Tim and List Members,
It seems that in N scale one could use this Arnold tank car as a starting point for TTIX 1012...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/co0AAOSwnsdiF6vw/s-l1600.jpg
Claus Schlund
On 05-Feb-23 13:55, Tim O'Connor wrote:
TTIX 1012
This car has been identified (for me) as a Type 17, at least originally. This is circa 1958 so
it could have been altered by this date (sometimes tanks were mounted onto newer frames)
On 2/5/2023 2:20 AM, hockenheim68 via groups.io wrote:
Are Type 17 drawings in one of the MCB?
Andrew Hutchinson
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Claus I'd think that model is a good N scale stand-in for a Type 21, but definitely not the Type 17.
On 2/5/2023 6:13 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
It seems that in N scale one could use this Arnold tank car as a starting point for TTIX 1012...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/co0AAOSwnsdiF6vw/s-l1600.jpg
Claus Schlund
On 05-Feb-23 13:55, Tim O'Connor wrote:
TTIX 1012
This car has been identified (for me) as a Type 17, at least originally. This is circa 1958 so
it could have been altered by this date (sometimes tanks were mounted onto newer frames)
On 2/5/2023 2:20 AM, hockenheim68 via groups.io wrote:
Are Type 17 drawings in one of the MCB?
Andrew Hutchinson
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Tim and List Members,
Thanks Tim for the insight, I will give this topic some further research...
Claus Schlund
On 06-Feb-23 11:28, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Claus I'd think that model is a good N scale stand-in for a Type 21, but definitely not the Type 17.
On 2/5/2023 6:13 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:
It seems that in N scale one could use this Arnold tank car as a starting point for TTIX 1012...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/co0AAOSwnsdiF6vw/s-l1600.jpg
Claus Schlund
On 05-Feb-23 13:55, Tim O'Connor wrote:
TTIX 1012
This car has been identified (for me) as a Type 17, at least originally. This is circa 1958 so
it could have been altered by this date (sometimes tanks were mounted onto newer frames)
On 2/5/2023 2:20 AM, hockenheim68 via groups.io wrote:
Are Type 17 drawings in one of the MCB?
Andrew Hutchinson
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
nyc3001 .
Dave, a PTC tank car would be great. I think some of the necessary HO vertical-course tanks have already been produced (SC&F) since iirc PTC cars used STC tanks mounted onto their own frames.
So some longitudinal-course tanks (8k and 10k), a 10k vertical-course tank, and PTC frames would cover most of the bases afaik.
Very common GATX cars into the 1950s based on photos. Huge domes and dome platforms attached to the domes instead of the tanks.
-Phil
So some longitudinal-course tanks (8k and 10k), a 10k vertical-course tank, and PTC frames would cover most of the bases afaik.
Very common GATX cars into the 1950s based on photos. Huge domes and dome platforms attached to the domes instead of the tanks.
-Phil
Todd
MILW 79096 is stenciled 8110 gallons, so that is why I said it was not a 10,000 gallon car. :-)
Most Type 21 8k tanks are 3 courses, while most of the 10k tanks are 4 courses. I don't know
if there were any 3-course 10k cars.
On 2/6/2023 2:21 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
MILW 79096 is stenciled 8110 gallons, so that is why I said it was not a 10,000 gallon car. :-)
Most Type 21 8k tanks are 3 courses, while most of the 10k tanks are 4 courses. I don't know
if there were any 3-course 10k cars.
On 2/6/2023 2:21 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
Tim,
I'm puzzled by your remark about 'its smaller -- 8000 gallons'.
I compared the photo of the MILW tank car in this photo to photos of Walthers 10000 gallon HO models, and there is a strong resemblance, especially comparing tank diameter and dome sizes.
Todd Sullivan
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts