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Accurail 1800 series bocxcar kitbash


Chuck Cover
 

Group,

I was looking at Ray Breyer's discussion of the Accurail 1800 series boxcar and kitbash posiblities for the D&H 36' DS boxcar.  I would like to find more information on the "indestructible end" and the inverse Hutchins end.  I know that Funaro has models with the inverse Hutchins ends so they may be a source if they sell the ends separately.  Are there any other possible sources for this end?

Are there any drawings or articles which I can reference to bash the "indestructible ends"? 

Thanks,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Don Burn
 

The definitive information on the D&H 36' boxcars is the two part article on them in the November and December 1987 RMC. It includes plans of the three ends used.

Don Burn

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail 1800 series bocxcar kitbash

Group,

I was looking at Ray Breyer's discussion of the Accurail 1800 series boxcar and kitbash posiblities for the D&H 36' DS boxcar. I would like to find more information on the "indestructible end" and the inverse Hutchins end. I know that Funaro has models with the inverse Hutchins ends so they may be a source if they sell the ends separately. Are there any other possible sources for this end?

Are there any drawings or articles which I can reference to bash the "indestructible ends"?

Thanks,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Chuck Cover
 

RE: November and December 1987 RMC

Thanks Don,

I checked and do not have those issues so I will work on finding them.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Eric Hansmann
 

A few railroads used ends similar to the indestructible design to upgrade older cars. They turn up on wood sheathed B&O, DL&W, and Erie boxcars.

 

It was determined awhile back by a couple B&O modelers that the ends used on B&O cars were home built and had differences to the ends used on D&H, DL&W, and Erie cars. IIRC, one major difference is the angled pieces point a different way on the B&O cars.

 

This end view of an Erie boxcar shows the design, but the components don’t seem a heavy as what was used on B&O cars.

http://hansmanns.org/images/canton_industry_2.JPG

 

Compare the Erie car end with the B&O car in the attachment.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail 1800 series bocxcar kitbash

 

Group,

I was looking at Ray Breyer's discussion of the Accurail 1800 series boxcar and kitbash posiblities for the D&H 36' DS boxcar.  I would like to find more information on the "indestructible end" and the inverse Hutchins end.  I know that Funaro has models with the inverse Hutchins ends so they may be a source if they sell the ends separately.  Are there any other possible sources for this end?

Are there any drawings or articles which I can reference to bash the "indestructible ends"? 

Thanks,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Ray Breyer
 

I haven''t found original plans for the Indestructible ends, but similar ends are in the 1913 CBD (no diagonal braces). Between those plans and the wealth of closeup photos of the ends in the DL&W company photo collection my plan is to scratch several of the Lackawanna cars. Once I perfect the technique I'll be sure to write a piece for Eric Hansmann's blog!

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 12:44:05 PM CDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Group,

I was looking at Ray Breyer's discussion of the Accurail 1800 series boxcar and kitbash posiblities for the D&H 36' DS boxcar.  I would like to find more information on the "indestructible end" and the inverse Hutchins end.  I know that Funaro has models with the inverse Hutchins ends so they may be a source if they sell the ends separately.  Are there any other possible sources for this end?

Are there any drawings or articles which I can reference to bash the "indestructible ends"? 

Thanks,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Chuck Cover
 

Thanks Ray.

 

DL&W is another 36’ boxcar still around in the mid-50s and might fit my layout operations better than the D&H since DL&W had an interchange with the PRR in Northumberland, PA.  I look forward to your blog.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

 

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Chuck Cover
 

Hi Eric,

 

I wanted to get back to you to thank you again for the help you provided on the Accurail 1800 series boxcar kitbash.  I went with the DL&W 36’ car partly because of the information that you sent me and because I have a DL&W interchange on my layout so DL&W cars fit in nicely.

 

I have attached a couple of photos.  I shaved off all of the cast on grabs and other details, followed your notes for your kitbash of the DL&W boxcar and added carver cut levers and end of car air hoses as well as AB brakes since I model the mid-50s and K4 decals.  I had not used the K4 decals before and thought that they were great.  Not sure if the Andrews trucks are correct, any suggestions?

 

Thanks again and take care,

 

Chuck

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail 1800 series bocxcar kitbash

 

A few railroads used ends similar to the indestructible design to upgrade older cars. They turn up on wood sheathed B&O, DL&W, and Erie boxcars.

 

It was determined awhile back by a couple B&O modelers that the ends used on B&O cars were home built and had differences to the ends used on D&H, DL&W, and Erie cars. IIRC, one major difference is the angled pieces point a different way on the B&O cars.

 

This end view of an Erie boxcar shows the design, but the components don’t seem a heavy as what was used on B&O cars.

http://hansmanns.org/images/canton_industry_2.JPG

 

Compare the Erie car end with the B&O car in the attachment.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail 1800 series bocxcar kitbash

 

Group,

I was looking at Ray Breyer's discussion of the Accurail 1800 series boxcar and kitbash posiblities for the D&H 36' DS boxcar.  I would like to find more information on the "indestructible end" and the inverse Hutchins end.  I know that Funaro has models with the inverse Hutchins ends so they may be a source if they sell the ends separately.  Are there any other possible sources for this end?

Are there any drawings or articles which I can reference to bash the "indestructible ends"? 

Thanks,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Chuck Cover
 

Sorry everyone, the previous message should have just gone to Eric.  Someday, I’ll get the hang of this dang computer.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

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Bill Keene
 

Enjoyed the pics. Not a problem. 

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Nov 21, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,
 
I wanted to get back to you to thank you again for the help you provided on the Accurail 1800 series boxcar kitbash.  I went with the DL&W 36’ car partly because of the information that you sent me and because I have a DL&W interchange on my layout so DL&W cars fit in nicely.
 
I have attached a couple of photos.  I shaved off all of the cast on grabs and other details, followed your notes for your kitbash of the DL&W boxcar and added carver cut levers and end of car air hoses as well as AB brakes since I model the mid-50s and K4 decals.  I had not used the K4 decals before and thought that they were great.  Not sure if the Andrews trucks are correct, any suggestions?
 
Thanks again and take care,
 
Chuck
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail 1800 series bocxcar kitbash
 
A few railroads used ends similar to the indestructible design to upgrade older cars. They turn up on wood sheathed B&O, DL&W, and Erie boxcars. 
 
It was determined awhile back by a couple B&O modelers that the ends used on B&O cars were home built and had differences to the ends used on D&H, DL&W, and Erie cars. IIRC, one major difference is the angled pieces point a different way on the B&O cars. 
 
This end view of an Erie boxcar shows the design, but the components don’t seem a heavy as what was used on B&O cars.
 
Compare the Erie car end with the B&O car in the attachment.
 
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
 
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail 1800 series bocxcar kitbash
 
Group,

I was looking at Ray Breyer's discussion of the Accurail 1800 series boxcar and kitbash posiblities for the D&H 36' DS boxcar.  I would like to find more information on the "indestructible end" and the inverse Hutchins end.  I know that Funaro has models with the inverse Hutchins ends so they may be a source if they sell the ends separately.  Are there any other possible sources for this end?

Are there any drawings or articles which I can reference to bash the "indestructible ends"?  

Thanks,

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM 

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