Accurail single sheathed box cars (was CNJ 12000 series)


Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

The 6 panel is an IC car, or very close to it. The 8 panel is a CN car, originally offered in resin
from either Des Plaines Valley or F&C or by the RPI hobby shop.... (the RPI kits were I think
cast by F&C, as I think the Yankee Clipper cars were as well)

Come to think of it, the IC car also was offered in resin by RPI and now is part of the F&C line.

Tim



On 7/4/2022 4:47 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:
Thanks to those that answered. Now what to do?

Tim asked "Which Accurail single sheathed box car have you got ?"

I have two actually. Got them at a swap meet for 5 buys each. One's the CNJ, 8 panel sides, Murphy ends steel corrugated door. The other 6 panel car I've stripped thinking I could use it for a Milwaukee car, but the Dreadnaught ends are the wrong configuration.  
These are fun cars to modify and I'd like to do something with these that's half way prototypical....
Clark


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Clark Propst
 

I have or have had both those models. 

I thought about cutting a section out of the 6 panel Dreadnaught end and turning it over to make the 4/4 ends 3/5. Like the ChicagoLand mini-kit (which I sold two of...mumble). This would match a Milwaukee car. Instead I found a pair of 7/8 Murphy ends in my "end drawer" I'd cut off for a different progress. This will match a different Milwaukee car. Nice that the Milwaukee had so many variations  ;  )

Now to find something to do with the 8 panel car with steel doors and ends.

Clark


Tim O'Connor
 


Here's an interesting use for the Accurail 8 panel car - New England Rail Service offered a 1 1/2 door
kit for converting the Accurail car into this car, I think.



On 7/5/2022 1:34 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io wrote:
I have or have had both those models. 

I thought about cutting a section out of the 6 panel Dreadnaught end and turning it over to make the 4/4 ends 3/5. Like the ChicagoLand mini-kit (which I sold two of...mumble). This would match a Milwaukee car. Instead I found a pair of 7/8 Murphy ends in my "end drawer" I'd cut off for a different progress. This will match a different Milwaukee car. Nice that the Milwaukee had so many variations  ;  )

Now to find something to do with the 8 panel car with steel doors and ends.

Clark

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"The 8 panel is a CN car, originally offered in resin from either Des Plaines Valley or F&C or by the RPI hobby shop.... (the RPI kits were I think cast by F&C, as I think the Yankee Clipper cars were as well)."

Not F&C/RPI, but Des Plaines Valley.  The Des Plaines Valley model represents the CN cars as built, with wooden roof and extra horizontal truss member in the left-most panel.

Funaro did casting for a number of third parties, including RPI, Yankee Clipper, Sunshine, Central Hobby and several historical societies.



"Come to think of it, the IC car also was offered in resin by RPI and now is part of the F&C line."


No. Not the prototype represented by Accurail 6-panel SS car.  The RPI IC kit is the SS automobile boxcar converted to general service boxcars by sheathing over the auxiliary door opening, creating a "missing" diagonal.


Ben Hom



Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 10:46 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
"The 8 panel is a CN car, originally offered in resin from either Des Plaines Valley or F&C or by the RPI hobby shop.... (the RPI kits were I think cast by F&C, as I think the Yankee Clipper cars were as well)."

Not F&C/RPI, but Des Plaines Valley.  The Des Plaines Valley model represents the CN cars as built, with wooden roof and extra horizontal truss member in the left-most panel.
Actually, that's my old resin kit, done at the request of Stafford Swain. It's actually an older version of the car, built 1916 IIRC, because Staff could not come up with any drawings of the more common post WWI version that the Accurail kit is based on. The Canadian Government Railways cars were intended to be super grain haulers of the day, 9'-0" IH, 9'-0" IW, and rated at 60 tons. They had inside metal roofs, which explains the wood sheathing. Accurail did use one as a 'stand-in' in the first Walthers catalog that listed our  4000 series kits, carefully photographed from a low enough angle that the roof doesn't show.

This kit did go to Des Plaines Hobbies (not valley) with the rest of my resin line.

Dennis Storzek
 


Clark Propst
 

I've replaced the ends. Now the model in ready for the extra styrene bits.
Clark


William Dale
 

Clark,
     I’m uncertain about the direction of your present build photographed with the Hutchins roof and 7/8 ends. If you are planning on modeling a CNJ 18XXX series of single sheath cars, they had a 7/7 end. The 17XXX had a wood sheath end with vertical stiffners. Some of these early 40’ S/S wood cars ended up on the New Jersey Zinc plants railline in Palmerton PA.

Billy


Clark Propst
 

Thanks for the clarification on the CNJ car! This project I’m working on will be a Milwaukee car, from subsidiary CTH&? (can’t recall the full name off hand) One photo in the Milwaukee FC color book to go by.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Clark Propst
 

I've added both plastic and wire bits. Next is to flesh out the underframe and lastly add the ^#@* ladder rungs.


O Fenton Wells
 

Looking good Clark, can't wait to see the finished product.
Fenton

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 11:51 AM Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
I've added both plastic and wire bits. Next is to flesh out the underframe and lastly add the ^#@* ladder rungs.



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Fenton Wells
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Pinehurst NC 28374
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Clark Propst
 

I found some wood doors 1 1/2 that is to turn my last kit into the CN car Tim provided a photo of. I believe Black Cat makes decals?
Clark


Chris Barkan
 

Clark said,  "This project I’m working on will be a Milwaukee car, from subsidiary CTH&? (can’t recall the full name off hand)"

CTH&SE = Chicago Terre Haute & Southeastern.   The Milwaukee Road acquired them primarily as a source of inexpensive, southern Indiana coal to fuel their locomotives.
Read more about it here: http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2015/09/milwaukees-chicago-terre-haute.html
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Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL


Jim Betz
 

Clark,
  Use a triangular hobby file to cut a very small groove across both
ladder verticals (rails?) and the rungs will sit right where you want
them to ... 
                                                                    - Jim in the PNW


Clark Propst
 

Today's work: Finished the underframe and added the ladder rungs. Last time I do that! I'm much better at demolition than finish work. First time I've removed the door from an Accurail body! I think I got a little over zealous demoing the (to be) CN 1 1/2 door ends. Me thinks me should have kept the ladder stiles?
Clark 


Paul Doggett
 

It’s looking good Clark.

Paul Doggett 


On 10 Jul 2022, at 01:15, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Today's work: Finished the underframe and added the ladder rungs. Last time I do that! I'm much better at demolition than finish work. First time I've removed the door from an Accurail body! I think I got a little over zealous demoing the (to be) CN 1 1/2 door ends. Me thinks me should have kept the ladder stiles?
Clark 

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Robert kirkham
 

Clark - i’ve never removed an Accurail door.  What dd you find as you went at it?  Tools and techniques?  Was thinking the safest way (if you don’t mind ruining the door) would be to drill some big holes through it and file to the edges. 

Both are cool models and I’m enjoying watching them take shape.   

Rob

On Jul 9, 2022, at 5:15 PM, Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst@...> wrote:

Today's work: Finished the underframe and added the ladder rungs. Last time I do that! I'm much better at demolition than finish work. First time I've removed the door from an Accurail body! I think I got a little over zealous demoing the (to be) CN 1 1/2 door ends. Me thinks me should have kept the ladder stiles?
Clark  <CN 1.jpg><MILW 5.jpg><MILW 6.jpg><MILW 7.jpg>


Clark Propst
 

Rob asked how I removed the door. I used a cutoff wheel in my hand held cordless Dremel on next to the fastest speed. Cut inside the lines. Made a real mess with melted plastic, Accurail cars are thick! It came off when pushed with my thumb of shaved with a blade. Used a knife to hack/saw through at the corners on one end then pried/snapped it out. Cleaned up with a chisel and file. Keep in mind I’m about ease and speed, I’m no neat nick  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Clark Propst
 

This mornings efforts. Primed the MILW car with Tamiya in a spray can. Had to whack and hack on the resin doors for the CN car to get them to comply  ;  )) They have the right features just not in the correct places. Close enough for this model. I did order Black Cat decals.
Clark 


O Fenton Wells
 

Clark, I like where this is going.  Mighty nice,
Fenton

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 12:57 PM Clark Propst via groups.io <cepropst=q.com@groups.io> wrote:
This mornings efforts. Primed the MILW car with Tamiya in a spray can. Had to whack and hack on the resin doors for the CN car to get them to comply  ;  )) They have the right features just not in the correct places. Close enough for this model. I did order Black Cat decals.
Clark 



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Sam Reynolds
 

To go along with the information that Billy Dale provided regarding the CNJ's 18XXX series single sheathed box cars, I uploaded the magazine article that Vic Roseman wrote and was in the February 2003 issue of Railmodel Journal. This article was referenced by Drew Marshall, a fellow South Jersey modeler. The file name for the uploaded article is "CNJ 40' composite box cars from Tichy and Accrual kits". If you're interested in modeling any of these CNJ boxcars, Vic's article provides a lot of good information. 

Sam Reynolds