Amarillo Railroad Museum FW&D Covered Hopper


gary laakso
 

The two models arrived and are visual delights, though unlike the InterMountain CB&Q version of these covered hoppers, the roof is not black.  The wonderful article by Ed Hawkins about these cars in the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 30 , describes these covered hoppers: “The sides, ends. Slope sheets and AB brake parts received miner red paint.  Black car cement was applied to the roof, hopper bottoms and outlets.  The trucks were also black. “  p.97

 

Any suggestions for a Tru Color black to represent black car cement?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

 


WILLIAM PARDIE
 

While we are talking about color does anyone have a paint match for the FW,&D hopper?  Several steps did not survive my fat fingers.

Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie





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-------- Original message --------
From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Date: 7/18/22 1:11 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Amarillo Railroad Museum FW&D Covered Hopper

The two models arrived and are visual delights, though unlike the InterMountain CB&Q version of these covered hoppers, the roof is not black.  The wonderful article by Ed Hawkins about these cars in the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 30 , describes these covered hoppers: “The sides, ends. Slope sheets and AB brake parts received miner red paint.  Black car cement was applied to the roof, hopper bottoms and outlets.  The trucks were also black. “  p.97

 

Any suggestions for a Tru Color black to represent black car cement?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

 

 


Jerry Michels
 

Bill, you can try InterMountain, maybe.  The color is the standard CB&Q freightcar red if that is any help.  Sorry for your problem. Jerry Michels


Charlie Duckworth
 

Gary
I’ve airbrushed TruColor’s Black and it covers well but I’m going to use Vallejo’s acrylic black as it leaves no brush marks to avoid masking.  I assume the hatches were also black as part of the roof?  With the hopper bottoms and outlet gates being black are there any photos around for reference for painting?
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Eric Mumper
 

Bill,

I have 2 of these covered hoppers and they will need some touch-up when I am done.  The color is almost identical to the custom run of old Eastern Car Works cars I had done almost 30 years ago.  Try Modelflex 16-14 light tuscan oxide red.

Eric Mumper


Eric Mumper
 

Charlie,

The only color picture in original paint of these cars that I am aware of is in RP Cyc 30 on p99.  Better pictures of the later red post 1958 paint scheme are in there and Burlington Bulletin 20.  The assumption is the Q did not suddenly start painting the roofs and hopper bottoms black in 1958 and had been painting the mineral red cars that way for a while.  This only applies to the original paint out of the shop.  Later repaints may have ended up all mineral red.

Eric Mumper


Charlie Duckworth
 

Eric
Reading your posting I’m reading the cars came delivered in overall mineral red and the railroad later applied the black cement to the roof and outlet gates?
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Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Eric Mumper
 

Charlie,

Other way around.  They came out of the shop with black car cement.  The color picture on p99 of RP Cyc 30 is in original paint and clearly shows a black roof and black hopper bottoms.

Eric Mumper


Charlie Duckworth
 

Thanks 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Jerry Michels
 

Just to chime in on these cars.  We worked closely with the BRHS and InterMountain, and the consensus was to have them in the all-mineral red scheme.  If they originally had black roofs and bottoms, it didn't last too long.  We  queried this list before the project, but didn't receive any information.  That's not a jab.  But we tried our best to get things right for customers. 

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Jerry Michels
 

Hey Eric, can you point me to the source of your information about the cars originally arriving with black roofs and tops and the repainting to mineral red?  I'd like to nail this down.

Jerry Michels


Eric Mumper
 

Jerry,

No can do on nailing down the paint scheme on these cars.  Al Hoffman is the source of the cars having black roofs and hopper bottoms in the RP Cyc 30 article.  It would be nice if there was more than one color picture of these cars in original paint.  The official position of the BRHS seems to be all red cars and that appears to be based on trying to suss out colors in black and white images and first hand accounts from the 60s seeing these cars in service - which is why I assume they were repainted all mineral red when they were shopped.

If it is desired to have a black roof and hopper bottoms, the painting is not hard.  It is even easier it the car is put in the freezer and the top popped off (remember to pry the running board end braces away from the ends first).  A little masking tape and some Silly Putty around the difficult parts will mask that right up for painting.

Eric Mumper


Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Nothing like sending without proof reading.  Try this:

If it is desired to have a black roof and hopper bottoms, the painting is not hard.  It is even easier if the car is put in the freezer and the top popped off (remember to pry the running board end braces away from the ends first).  A little masking tape and some Silly Putty around the difficult parts will mask the hopper bottoms right up for painting.

Eric Mumper


gary laakso
 

My note of yesterday quoted Ed Hawkins on the as delivered colors from  Volume 30 of the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Michels
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:20 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Amarillo Railroad Museum FW&D Covered Hopper

 

Hey Eric, can you point me to the source of your information about the cars originally arriving with black roofs and tops and the repainting to mineral red?  I'd like to nail this down.

 

Jerry Michels


gary laakso
 

As noted, InterMountain did paint the roofs black for their CB&Q covered hoppers. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Michels
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:19 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Amarillo Railroad Museum FW&D Covered Hopper

 

Just to chime in on these cars.  We worked closely with the BRHS and InterMountain, and the consensus was to have them in the all-mineral red scheme.  If they originally had black roofs and bottoms, it didn't last too long.  We  queried this list before the project, but didn't receive any information.  That's not a jab.  But we tried our best to get things right for customers. 

 

Jerry Michels

Amarillo Railroad Museum


Eric Mumper
 

Gary,

Those cars also came with the wrong roof.  Most of that run with the type 3 hatches and latches had the incorrect flat panel roof instead of the Murphy standing seam roof.  The only correct Q (or subsidiary) cars I am aware of are the FW&D cars from Amarillo and the Q Connection cars in the grey scheme.

Eric Mumper


killercarp
 

Intermountain painted them black but used the wrong roofs, which is more difficult to fix. 

Amarillo cared enough to supply them with the correct roofs.  Easier to paint them black should one desire to do so.

Tim VanMersbrgen

 


Jerry Michels
 

Gary,  we have 25 of the Q cars, and they are solid gray.  Jerry Michels


gary laakso
 

Eric:

 

The RPC article in Volume 30 at page 95 includes a photo of the top of the CB&Q covered hoppers built in 1940, came with flat welded roofs, just like the InterMountain model of those cars.  Later production, including the FW&D cars came with Murphy flat panel roofs as seen in the top view photo at page 98.  Though that picture is of a post-war version that all had the Murphy flat panel roofs. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Mumper
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:48 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Amarillo Railroad Museum FW&D Covered Hopper

 

Gary,

Those cars also came with the wrong roof.  Most of that run with the type 3 hatches and latches had the incorrect flat panel roof instead of the Murphy standing seam roof.  The only correct Q (or subsidiary) cars I am aware of are the FW&D cars from Amarillo and the Q Connection cars in the grey scheme.

Eric Mumper


gary laakso
 

Jerry, I have one from Intermountain and it is mineral red with a black roof.  It is InterMountain 48686-06, car number 180687.  

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock. 


On Jul 19, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...> wrote:

Gary,  we have 25 of the Q cars, and they are solid gray.  Jerry Michels