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Another Needed Detail
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WILLIAM PARDIE
An often overlooked detail on our freight cars.are Trust Plates. These show up on freight cars more often than one might think. The only time that I had taken a car to a RPM meet was years ago. It was McKeen PS-1 1 car done for the CMO. For that I used a plastic rectangle. About the same time a company called LANHAM ENTEPRISES produced a photo etched set with various sizes for the PRR. I used these on a number of PRR cars and a few others. At one time Ted Culotta blesses me with a collection of various sized etched plates. He included some in his RP&F box car kit and his NP box car decals. In addition to the PRR cars I have used some on an MP gondola, SP covered hopper and NP flat car. one of the problems is that there are so many sizes and scripts. I don't worry about the wording although Ted Culotta once told me that he could read them. Many WP cars used these. I have not completed a PFE R23 refer and a T& NO caboose for lack of this detail. My other problem is who could produce the sizes that I need? Ted was going to do more at one time but his life has taken a different turn. Any thoughts? Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone |
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Kenneth Montero
Decals may also work for some cars, as sometimes the information was painted on the car. The ones that I recall seeing had the information in the upper left corner of a boxcar. I don't know if painted vs. trust plates were done during the steam era.
Ken Montero
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WILLIAM PARDIE
They went boyh ways throughout the stream era. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> Date: 1/6/23 2:15 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another Needed Detail
Decals may also work for some cars, as sometimes the information was painted on the car. The ones that I recall seeing had the information in the upper left corner of a boxcar. I don't know if painted vs. trust plates were done during the steam era.
Ken Montero
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Nelson Moyer
Somewhere in the archives of the resincarbuilders io Group is a post by George Toman that described how he build trust plates from styrene ovals with wire edges. Or perhaps it was in one of his RPM clinics. They looked pretty good to me, though I’ve never tried to duplicate his work. Perhaps George will narrow the search by indicating which car got those trust plates and where we can find construction details.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 6:03 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Another Needed Detail
An often overlooked detail on our freight cars.are Trust Plates. These show up on freight cars more often than one might think. The only time that I had taken a car to a RPM meet was years ago. It was McKeen PS-1 1 car done for the CMO. For that I used a plastic rectangle.
About the same time a company called LANHAM ENTEPRISES produced a photo etched set with various sizes for the PRR. I used these on a number of PRR cars and a few others. At one time Ted Culotta blesses me with a collection of various sized etched plates. He included some in his RP&F box car kit and his NP box car decals.
In addition to the PRR cars I have used some on an MP gondola, SP covered hopper and NP flat car. one of the problems is that there are so many sizes and scripts. I don't worry about the wording although Ted Culotta once told me that he could read them. Many WP cars used these. I have not completed a PFE R23 refer and a T& NO caboose for lack of this detail.
My other problem is who could produce the sizes that I need? Ted was going to do more at one time but his life has taken a different turn.
Any thoughts?
Bill Pardie
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WILLIAM PARDIE
As an example of the application between stenciled and plates, The PFE R-40-23 has the plate. The R-40 -25 had the stencil. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> Date: 1/6/23 2:15 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another Needed Detail
Decals may also work for some cars, as sometimes the information was painted on the car. The ones that I recall seeing had the information in the upper left corner of a boxcar. I don't know if painted vs. trust plates were done during the steam era.
Ken Montero
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Kenneth Montero
Bill,
Thank you more mentioning stencils. I could not recall that term.
Ken Montero
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Lenahan's Custom Railway Supply used to make etched trust plates for various PRR equipment. The lettering is so small that they can be used on non PRR equipment without fear of being questioned.
If they are no longer available a silicone mold might reproduce them. Another similar item is the cast brake diagram plates used on some cars. They showed the length of the various rods and levers used in the brake system. They are visible on the ends of some hoppers and covered hoppers. Mark |
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naptownprr
If someone would produce trust plates, I would be interested in getting some.
Jim
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Lenahan's Custom Railway Supply used to make etched trust plates for various PRR equipment. The lettering is so small that they can be used on non PRR equipment without fear of being questioned. If they are no longer available a silicone mold might reproduce them. Another similar item is the cast brake diagram plates used on some cars. They showed the length of the various rods and levers used in the brake system. They are visible on the ends of some hoppers and covered hoppers. Mark |
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Northern Pacific R-40-25 copies did have trust plates. Trust plates could be removed once the trust expired, naturally. So you only need them for the first 10 or 15 years of the cars' lives. On 1/6/2023 9:52 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
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Guy Wilber
Mark Vinski wrote:
"Another similar item is the cast brake diagram plates used on some cars. They showed the length of the various rods and levers used in the brake system. They are visible on the ends of some hoppers and covered hoppers." Mark,
Metal Badge Plates were required on all cars built new or rebuilt on and after August 1, 1929. The rule also included the stipulation that all cars (in interchange) were to be so equipped as of January 1, 1933. That latter date would be extended (yearly) until finally taking effect January 1, 1957.
The badge plates were added to cars assuring that specific information was readily available when repairs or replacements were made to a car's foundation brake components on foreign roads. Prior to the rule levers were often changed out with replacements not matching the original dimensions which resulted in extra stress on brake beams and excessive wear on brake shoes and wheels. Additionally, the car's braking ratio could be compromised if proper replacement parts were not installed.
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
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