Armour Stock Car Photos
Of course I can’t lay hands on it at the moment but I recall seeing a photo of a Armour or Swift stock car that was of CB&Q heritage, possibly a SM16 36’ steel framed car or one of the wood framed look-alikes.
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos
>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX).
>Phil Lee
Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
Elgin, IL
Of course I can’t lay hands on it at the moment but I recall seeing a photo of a Armour or Swift stock car that was of CB&Q heritage, possibly a SM16 36’ steel framed car or one of the wood framed look-alikes.
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:35 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos
>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX).
>Phil Lee
Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
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Hi Matt and List Members,
Matt, you don't say if you have already ordered and received the kit or not. I hope it looks better than the kit I received - see image linked below - shown still in the factory wrapping...
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51972925987_8209455571_o.jpg
Claus Schlund
Phil,
New kit that I will be building for a fellow Q nut. Looks pretty neat! I'm looking forward to building this one.
https://leadvilledesigns.com/products/ho-cb-q-58000-59000-36-stock-car
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL
That looks like heat damage -- perhaps during shipping ?? Some resins are more stable than others, and
that one may use one of the less stable resins. I have opened more than one resin kit to find warped parts.
But nothing as bad as that!
On 9/28/2022 2:16 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Hi Matt and List Members,
Matt, you don't say if you have already ordered and received the kit or not. I hope it looks better than the kit I received - see image linked below - shown still in the factory wrapping...
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51972925987_8209455571_o.jpg
Claus Schlund
On 28-Sep-22 12:06, Matt Smith wrote:
Phil,
New kit that I will be building for a fellow Q nut. Looks pretty neat! I'm looking forward to building this one.
https://leadvilledesigns.com/products/ho-cb-q-58000-59000-36-stock-car
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could be a factor.
Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be resolved.
Jack Mullen
Jack, I purchased one of these kits earlier this year. The side framing in mine was nickel.
-Phil Lee
I built a pilot model of this kit, and the underframe had a couple of issues. First and worst, it was badly bowed. I tried oven treatment several time, and the frame flattened nicely when hot, but bowed when cool to room temperature. I tried hot water treatment, with the same result. Finally, I cut the stringers partway through at several points along the length of the frame, and glued the stringers and sill back together on a flat surface. You can see the wavy appearance and hot water distortion of the finished underframe in one of the attached photos. I suggested using the 3D printed underframe as a master for a resin casting. Apparently, that didn’t happen. The other issue with the underframe is that the brake components are too small and improperly placed for the SM-18. The second issue was that the frets were stacked without a spacer, and the nickel silver fret shagged one of the brass frets, and bent the sill steps and ladders. I straightened them as best I could, but I couldn’t eliminate all of the kinks completely. I suggested paper spacers to prevent this sort of damage. There are several other issues with the kit design, e.g. the roof extends too far over the sides and ends, the end fascia extends beyond the side fascia, the handbrake mounting tab is part of the roof, the sides don’t match the cross bearers and cross ties, etc. A added several enhancements to detail the kit beyond the basic materials supplied. Comparing the attached photos with prototype photos is the best way to evaluate the fidelity of the model.
I built this model last winter, and I plan to media blast it together with a group of tank cars this weekend. I’ll past pictures after the car is painted and decaled. Speaking of decals, there were no decals in the pilot kit, but I have a stash of SM-18 decals from the 24 Sunshine kits I built years ago.
Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 10:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos
According to the Leadville Designs website, the stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is multimedia.
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could be a factor.
Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be resolved.
Jack Mullen
Hi Jack and List Members,
Jack wrote: "According to the Leadville Designs website, the
stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is
multimedia.
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably
somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could
be a factor.
Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be
resolved"
Jack, you trust correctly. The text interaction is tacked on below, for the benefit of anyone else who might already have (or be considering the purchase of) this kit.
Overall, I find the kit to be a disappointment. This is not an inexpensive kit! Given the price I really would have expected a better product
Claus Schlund
Hi Bill,
Thanks for filling my recent order. Unfortunately there is a
problem. The vertical and diagonal truss members that make up
the 3-D printed car sides are seriously warped and are nowhere
close to straight. See attached image
Also, the underframe has a minor bow in it. I may be able to fix
the underframe, but the sides seem unusable.
How shall we proceed? Can you send me a new set of 3-D printed
sides?
Let me know what you think
Claus Schlund
Hi Claus,
Sorry to learn of this!
The members are quite thin and can be affected both during
and after UV curing. That said, they are surprisingly resilient.
What I have done in the past (and this works actually quite
well) is to glue the frame pieces to the etched brass inner wall
pieces along the top rail only. Then, gently straighten any bent
diagonals one at a time and when they are straight, touch with
some ACC to hold in place. In other words, assemble the car
normally, but glue the diagonals and verticals last one at a
time. Find the position that you like, and then using a pin with
some ACC on it; dab in the corners where the sides touch the
frames.
Let me know what you think! If this doesn't work out we
will either refund your money or send some new printed
components.
Cheers
Bill
Ray-
Thanks for providing the photos! I think the one that I remembered was one of them. I will share this with Rupert Gamlin, our resident (New Zealand!!!) CB&Q Freight Car Roster Expert. I will have to check the Burlington Bulletin on the stockcars to see if it was mentioned there; that may be where I saw the photo in the first place!!
Thanks!
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:20 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos
I've got photos of two of those cars, Charlie. They're attached.
I did a little digging, and it looks like these were BUILT by the CB&Q, but directly for Swift. The cars first appear in the SLSE ORER listings around 1926, which is when the Q was building the SM-18 class stock cars. (SM-18: no end doors, built by CB&Q 1926-1928. SM-16: with end doors, built ACF 1922 and CB&Q 1924). The cars always ran under Swift branding (SLSE, SLST, SLSX), but for three different owners: Swift, which sold their car line to Quaker City in 1930, and then to GATX which bought Quaker City in 1934. There was lots of that sort of private car shuffling going on in the early years of the Depression.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 08:36:33 PM CDT, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
Of course I can’t lay hands on it at the moment but I recall seeing a photo of a Armour or Swift stock car that was of CB&Q heritage, possibly a SM16 36’ steel framed car or one of the wood framed look-alikes.
Charlie Vlk
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2022 6:35 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos
>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX).
>Phil Lee
Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
On Sep 30, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Jack and List Members,
Jack wrote: "According to the Leadville Designs website, the stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is multimedia.
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could be a factor.
Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be resolved"
Jack, you trust correctly. The text interaction is tacked on below, for the benefit of anyone else who might already have (or be considering the purchase of) this kit.
Overall, I find the kit to be a disappointment. This is not an inexpensive kit! Given the price I really would have expected a better product
Claus Schlund
Hi Bill,
Thanks for filling my recent order. Unfortunately there is a problem. The vertical and diagonal truss members that make up the 3-D printed car sides are seriously warped and are nowhere close to straight. See attached image
Also, the underframe has a minor bow in it. I may be able to fix the underframe, but the sides seem unusable.
How shall we proceed? Can you send me a new set of 3-D printed sides?
Let me know what you think
Claus Schlund
Hi Claus,
Sorry to learn of this!
The members are quite thin and can be affected both during and after UV curing. That said, they are surprisingly resilient. What I have done in the past (and this works actually quite well) is to glue the frame pieces to the etched brass inner wall pieces along the top rail only. Then, gently straighten any bent diagonals one at a time and when they are straight, touch with some ACC to hold in place. In other words, assemble the car normally, but glue the diagonals and verticals last one at a time. Find the position that you like, and then using a pin with some ACC on it; dab in the corners where the sides touch the frames.
Let me know what you think! If this doesn't work out we will either refund your money or send some new printed components.
Cheers
Bill