Armour Stock Car Photos
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Scott Thompson
Looking for photos of Armour stock cars - I have the "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet" book which has a photo of the double deck car. There were two series - a double deck series and a single deck series - looking for a photo of the single deck series. Any help greatly appreciated. Scott Thompson, Eden Prairie, MN
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Clark Propst
Here’s what I have. I ‘think’ they are standard GATC design? I transposed
the initials
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa 
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Here is a partial view. Sorry, wish it was better. Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group |
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nyc3001 .
Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX).
-Phil Lee |
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Benjamin Hom
Phil Lee asked: "Is there anything close in HO?" The old Lindberg (later Mantua/Mantua 'Heavies'/Mantua 'Classic') stockcar will do in a pinch, though that model represents a double deck car and will need to have channel truss members added to the outer panels on the sides. Look past the bright yellow paint of this example. Also, the letterboards are separate pieces. Ben Hom |
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Ray Breyer
>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX). >Phil Lee Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL |
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Scott Thompson
Thanks to all for the photo request response. Scott Thompson, Eden Prairie, MN
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Charlie Vlk
Of course I can’t lay hands on it at the moment but I recall seeing a photo of a Armour or Swift stock car that was of CB&Q heritage, possibly a SM16 36’ steel framed car or one of the wood framed look-alikes. Charlie Vlk
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>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX). >Phil Lee
Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932.
Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
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Ray Breyer
I've got photos of two of those cars, Charlie. They're attached. I did a little digging, and it looks like these were BUILT by the CB&Q, but directly for Swift. The cars first appear in the SLSE ORER listings around 1926, which is when the Q was building the SM-18 class stock cars. (SM-18: no end doors, built by CB&Q 1926-1928. SM-16: with end doors, built ACF 1922 and CB&Q 1924). The cars always ran under Swift branding (SLSE, SLST, SLSX), but for three different owners: Swift, which sold their car line to Quaker City in 1930, and then to GATX which bought Quaker City in 1934. There was lots of that sort of private car shuffling going on in the early years of the Depression. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 08:36:33 PM CDT, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
Of course I can’t lay hands on it at the moment but I recall seeing a photo of a Armour or Swift stock car that was of CB&Q heritage, possibly a SM16 36’ steel framed car or one of the wood framed look-alikes. Charlie Vlk
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>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX). >Phil Lee
Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932.
Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
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Matt Smith
Phil,
New kit that I will be building for a fellow Q nut. Looks pretty neat! I'm looking forward to building this one. https://leadvilledesigns.com/products/ho-cb-q-58000-59000-36-stock-car -- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL |
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Matt and List Members,
Matt, you don't say if you have already ordered and received the kit or not. I hope it looks better than the kit I received - see image linked below - shown still in the factory wrapping...
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51972925987_8209455571_o.jpg
Claus Schlund
On 28-Sep-22 12:06, Matt Smith wrote:
Phil, |
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Claus
That looks like heat damage -- perhaps during shipping ?? Some resins are more stable than others, and that one may use one of the less stable resins. I have opened more than one resin kit to find warped parts. But nothing as bad as that! On 9/28/2022 2:16 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts |
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Jack Mullen
According to the Leadville Designs website, the stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is multimedia.
I agree with Tim that it looks like heat deformation, probably somewhere in transit, though I suppose incomplete UV curing could be a factor. Claus, I trust you've contacted the maker so the problem can be resolved. Jack Mullen |
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nyc3001 .
Matt, I am thinking that I may need to add another one of those kits to my collection to represent a SLSX car. They showed up very frequently in NYC stock trains, along with many other stock cars from midwestern/western roads. These stock cars tended to be routed as far east as Boston and NYC, which is contrary to what I see on many model railroads (primarily home-road stock cars, if any at all).
Jack, I purchased one of these kits earlier this year. The side framing in mine was nickel. -Phil Lee |
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Nelson Moyer
I built a pilot model of this kit, and the underframe had a couple of issues. First and worst, it was badly bowed. I tried oven treatment several time, and the frame flattened nicely when hot, but bowed when cool to room temperature. I tried hot water treatment, with the same result. Finally, I cut the stringers partway through at several points along the length of the frame, and glued the stringers and sill back together on a flat surface. You can see the wavy appearance and hot water distortion of the finished underframe in one of the attached photos. I suggested using the 3D printed underframe as a master for a resin casting. Apparently, that didn’t happen. The other issue with the underframe is that the brake components are too small and improperly placed for the SM-18. The second issue was that the frets were stacked without a spacer, and the nickel silver fret shagged one of the brass frets, and bent the sill steps and ladders. I straightened them as best I could, but I couldn’t eliminate all of the kinks completely. I suggested paper spacers to prevent this sort of damage. There are several other issues with the kit design, e.g. the roof extends too far over the sides and ends, the end fascia extends beyond the side fascia, the handbrake mounting tab is part of the roof, the sides don’t match the cross bearers and cross ties, etc. A added several enhancements to detail the kit beyond the basic materials supplied. Comparing the attached photos with prototype photos is the best way to evaluate the fidelity of the model.
I built this model last winter, and I plan to media blast it together with a group of tank cars this weekend. I’ll past pictures after the car is painted and decaled. Speaking of decals, there were no decals in the pilot kit, but I have a stash of SM-18 decals from the 24 Sunshine kits I built years ago.
Nelson Moyer
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According to the Leadville Designs website, the stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is multimedia.
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Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Jack and List Members,
Jack wrote: "According to the Leadville Designs website, the
stockcar side framing is 3D printed ABS. The overall kit is
multimedia.
Jack, you trust correctly. The text interaction is tacked on below, for the benefit of anyone else who might already have (or be considering the purchase of) this kit.
Overall, I find the kit to be a disappointment. This is not an inexpensive kit! Given the price I really would have expected a better product
Claus Schlund
Hi Bill, Hi Claus,
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Charlie Vlk
Ray- Thanks for providing the photos! I think the one that I remembered was one of them. I will share this with Rupert Gamlin, our resident (New Zealand!!!) CB&Q Freight Car Roster Expert. I will have to check the Burlington Bulletin on the stockcars to see if it was mentioned there; that may be where I saw the photo in the first place!! Thanks! Charlie Vlk
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:20 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Armour Stock Car Photos
I've got photos of two of those cars, Charlie. They're attached.
I did a little digging, and it looks like these were BUILT by the CB&Q, but directly for Swift. The cars first appear in the SLSE ORER listings around 1926, which is when the Q was building the SM-18 class stock cars. (SM-18: no end doors, built by CB&Q 1926-1928. SM-16: with end doors, built ACF 1922 and CB&Q 1924). The cars always ran under Swift branding (SLSE, SLST, SLSX), but for three different owners: Swift, which sold their car line to Quaker City in 1930, and then to GATX which bought Quaker City in 1934. There was lots of that sort of private car shuffling going on in the early years of the Depression.
Ray Breyer
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 08:36:33 PM CDT, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
Of course I can’t lay hands on it at the moment but I recall seeing a photo of a Armour or Swift stock car that was of CB&Q heritage, possibly a SM16 36’ steel framed car or one of the wood framed look-alikes. Charlie Vlk
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via groups.io
>>Is there anything close in HO? iirc there were similar stock cars operated by Swift (SLSX). >Phil Lee
Post-1936, that's because both fleets were GATX cars leased to Armour & Swift. Armour stopped owning their own stock cars around 1910, and Swift around 1932.
Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
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Charlie Vlk
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Note that the kit is rendered differently in the HO and N Scale versions. In N the car is too small to be trying to straighten spaghetti Z framing and seems it would have been better to do the sides in one piece resin. Charlie Vlk On Sep 30, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
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